On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:21:52 -0700, Crowfoot <pagemail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>> >Now yer talking; but I think how it works is that you
>> >have to come to *accept and embrace* the wretched
>> >place, horrors and all, before you are qualified to *leave
>> >it behind forever*.
>> >
>> >Sounds just like life, doesn't it?
>>
>> Well, in earth life, you don't have to accept and embrace the world,
>> do you? I mean, in any hypothetical particular incarnation.
>
>No, and most of us don't; but I believe that your last life on
>this planet and in physical form is the one in which you do in
>fact come to the place at which you accept and embrace the
>whole shebang, horrors and all. Maybe acceptance means no
>longer being *engaged* with it, so that there's nothing to draw
>you back here: been here, done it, given it all a hug and a tear,
>and moved on out, says the T ****rt.
In that case, I feel that I have reached the acceptance stage. I am
not at all engaged with earthly life. I think I took acceptance to
mean being all right with all the horrors - but actually it is. I
guess. I think you do have to feel only compassion for the murderers,
etc. Anger and outrage and suchlike mean one's still engaged with the
world, in which case I am. And maybe even compassion is unnecessary.
I don't know.
>> I read in a very good metaphysical book, which unfortunately is packed
>> up somewhere so I can't cite the title or author, that one can refuse
>> to reincarnate indefinitely despite the urgings of higher spiritual
>> beings.
>
>I think that's wishful thinking. And I don't think we need any
>urgings, either. We come back because -- I'm just making this
>up, y'all, got no special insight -- after death we think over our
>just-past life, and put it in the context of all our other past lives,
>and we see places that need dealing with, threads of plot and
>development that require resolution, experiences we haven't
>had yet and need to round out our experience of this place and
>make it complete. And some of our old friends, currently dis-
>carnate like us, come around and ask if we're up for being their
>mom next time to make sure they get a great musical education
>starting right away (they have Mozartian plans for Next Time),
>or if we're ready to jump in with them to take care of monster
>karmic debt lying between us and them, or exploring Mars
>with them (assuming things work out, of course).
>
>And because we are old, old comrades-in-arms and in everything
>else with them, we say yes, and then we go around connecting
>up with other friends for stuff we want to get done ourselves, and
>meantime we realize that we can't *remember* what fresh-
>squeezed orange juice or fine Belgian chocolate or smoked bacon
>actually *tastes* like, only that it was unbearably wonderful, and
>so was running in a strong, healthy body (and all that other stuff
>we do in those bodies), and next thing you know, we're ready to
>jump back in.
Yes, I pretty much agree with all that, in theory. I really don't
know what I believe, except that, due to certain experiences I've had,
I believe the soul survives physical death.
>You didn't think we did all this stuff *alone*, did you? Every
>last one of us has old friends all over the world (and out of the
>world too, of course).
No, I didn't think that at all. I'm an astrologer. I've been taught
we choose our own charts, pick our own parents, have hordes of soul
mates with whom we make deals and arrangements for each incarnation,
etc. I just don't know what I truly believe right now.
>> However, if one is meant to reincarnate and never does, the
>> penalty is annihilation of the soul - to miss the chance of finally
>> joining with "God" or the highest consciousness.
>
>My info is that we all get back; we are what that consciousness is
>made up of, dispersed into the universe, and that consciousness
>is not whole again until every last scrap comes home, no matter
>how long it takes. After all, we've got eternity; there is no meter
>running.
Maybe there is (a meter running). What is eternity, and how much of
it is reliant on matter? None of it? In that case, it doesn't matter
that the universe is expanding and... what's supposed to happen? It
will implode or something? I forget. But by that time, will every
scrap of us have finished? Will we all get home before there's no
more physical universe to finish up our business within?
>> I'm not sure if that penalty bothers me all too much. Of course, my
>> perspective would probably be different between incarnations when,
>> after a rest from the traumas of earth life, I would see how
>> relatively short an earth life is compared to any hypothetical
>> "eternity" in spirit, and go for it again (shudder).
>
>Exactly; I think it looks unimaginably different from out there.
>I only try imagining it because I'm a fiction writer, and that's
>my skill. But I'm still just blowing smoke rings about all this,
>just like everybody else. Which is another one of those
>enjoyable things you can only do while you're *here*, isn't it?
Maybe, but I'd definitely rather be *there*.
>C
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