In article <l6hus2tee7auu84mjtvmafqq34f5e05k93@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jyeshta <whatever@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> >> What you said in a prior post, about the urge to experience
> >> physicality - to be able to run in a strong body - many cannot! To
> >> taste favorite foods again - I believe all one need do is remember it
> >> and the taste is experienced. I don't believe at all that the
> >> prospect of physicality is attractive to the older discarnate soul or
> >> entity.
> >
> >Well, but suppose you were unable to have an athletic or even a
> >fit body in this life, but then you're done and you realize that for
> >your next time around you can choose a body that's super-fit and
> >maybe is even going to be able to travel to the stars -- the
> >*physical* stars, not the vibrational perception of them that I
> >suppose non-physical beings would have. That would be a pretty
> >strong temptation, wouldn't it? I think it's a grass-is-always-
> >greener kind of situation: when you're in the body, you long to be
> >pure spirit, but when you're only spirit -- maybe then you long for
> >the powers of the body? Why else would we keep coming back
> >(which I believe we do)? Because of some kind of determinism?
> >Well, maybe -- but I'd rather believe that I choose to return
> >because there's something magnetic about being *here*, too.
> >And in the absence of proof either way, I think I'll stay with that.
>
> I guess we'll need to agree to disagree on that point, then.
Sure, no problem.
> I don't believe at all that we are eager, after hundreds of
> incarnations, to jump into an incarnation of pure suffering, for
> example. Sure, if we arrange to have a mostly happy life, maybe the
> prospect of such an incarnation seems all right. But for the most
> part, I do not think that older souls welcome additional incarnations,
> at least not on this planet.
I think I misunderstood you: I also think that older souls are
much less interested in coming back the older they get, but
return as many times as needed to to complete their -- studies?
experiences? -- here, including choosing specific lives (and
specific partners -- those they have previously injured or been
injured by) to collaborate with on repaying or collecting out-
standing karmic debts. One reason I doubt that the
sensations of physical experience are available in full force to
discarnate souls is that if they were, I don't think any soul
would have the nerve to undertake repayment because the
process in reality, as opposed to the abstract, can be so painful.
Just as an aside -- I have a close relative whose life has been (after
an initially lively and promising two first decades) quite unhappy;
so much so that I inquired with a good source I know, and was
told that she's paying karma this time around as part of her
preparation for leaving the "young" cycles of soul experience behind
at last and moving on into the "mature" cycles. According to this
source (which is, of course, as unverifiable as everything else in
these areas), she has actually paid 4 of a set of 7 debts occasioned
by an incident of familial desertion (a wife and six children, left
behind, starved to death). I've asked, is she for-gods'-sake-
FINISHED finally, because it's been painful for me as well, watching
this miserable progress as it has worsened over time. I get told that
this is her choice to make. All I can say is, if I were on the astral
plane thinking about off-loading some karmic baggage next time
and if I could focus solidly and realistically on the amount of
prolonged, exhausting suffering involved in doing that, I'd never
have the guts to get on with it.
C
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