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Re: Is the media killing the Arts?

by Zapanaz <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> Mar 16, 2008 at 02:57 PM

>purple wrote:
>> On Mar 16, 2:02 pm, "SODDI the Unclean" <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> The media IS art.
>> 
>> "It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
>> and painters who have explored and predicted the various possibilities
>> of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
>> radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
>> media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
>> present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
>> Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
>> the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
>> whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
>> inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
>> years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
>> public technology, and artist and public merge in a single experience.
>> The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
>> artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
>> developments in the patterns of human experience which will inevitably
>> emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
>> Re****t on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits), p.i,
>> 1960.

Nonsense.  Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
in charge of the media of expression.  From the rejection by composers
of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
system.  Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
*** and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
or centuries.

This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
"Artist and public merge in a single experience".  Feh.  Like ooh wow,
man.  But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?

Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
warrant reading.  But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.

>> 
>> 
>> "The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
>> not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
>> art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
>> a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
>> garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
>> and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
>> programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
>> these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
>> McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
>> 

So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
and then for good measure he repeats himself.  The man made a career
out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.

***

Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own?  You
seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
out for new horizons.

But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
IS the message!  Copy-paste!  What a message!

The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
yourself.  I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!


-- 
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Sup****t Specialist
http://joecosby.com/

Talk is cheap, little man.
- Enkidu

:: Currently listening to Solitude, 1982, by Ennio Morricone, from "The
Thing"
 




 14 Posts in Topic:
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
MistySteele <live_long  2008-03-16 21:25:59 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
Zapanaz <http://joecos  2008-03-16 14:57:59 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"SODDI the Unclean&q  2008-03-16 19:27:54 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"Rev. 11D Meow!"  2008-03-16 16:35:46 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"H.P. Huey" <  2008-03-17 01:20:35 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
Schwann - Memetico <me  2008-03-17 18:32:18 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"H.P. Huey" <  2008-03-17 11:44:06 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
Schwann - Memetico <me  2008-03-17 19:01:23 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
Schwann - Memetico <me  2008-03-18 02:53:14 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"Steve Thompson"  2008-03-17 20:12:27 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
Zapanaz <http://joecos  2008-03-17 10:09:47 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
nenslo <nenslo@[EMAIL   2008-03-17 21:55:56 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"SODDI the Unclean&q  2008-03-18 14:32:40 
Re: Is the media killing the Arts?
"Rev. 11D Meow!"  2008-03-19 01:17:50 

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