"SODDI the Unclean" <null@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Zapanaz" <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>
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>>>purple wrote:
>>>> On Mar 16, 2:02 pm, "SODDI the Unclean" <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> The media IS art.
>>>>
>>>> "It is quite literally true that since printing it has been the poets
>>>> and painters who have explored and predicted the various
possibilities
>>>> of print, of prints, of press, of telegraph, of photograph, movie,
>>>> radio and television. In recent decades the arrival of several new
>>>> media had led to prodigious experimentation in the arts. But, at
>>>> present, the artists have yielded to the media themselves.
>>>> Experimentation has passed from the control of the private artist to
>>>> the groups in charge of the new technologies. That is to say, that
>>>> whereas in the past the individual artist, manipulating private and
>>>> inexpensive materials, was able to shape models of new experience
>>>> years ahead of the public, today the artist works with expensive
>>>> public technology, and artist and public merge in a single
experience.
>>>> The new media need the best artist talent and can pay for it. But the
>>>> artist can no longer provide years of advance awareness of
>>>> developments in the patterns of human experience which will
inevitably
>>>> emerge from new technological development." - H. Marshall McLuhan,
>>>> Re****t on Project in Understanding New Media, Part VII(Exhibits),
p.i,
>>>> 1960.
>>
>> Nonsense. Artists all through history have been driven by the groups
>> in charge of the media of expression. From the rejection by composers
>> of the rules of composition imposed by the church to Beethoven's
>> battles with his patrons to Shostakovich's battles with the Soviet
>> system. Shakespeare wrote plays to suit the audience of the Globe
>> theatre of the day, being sure to include plenty of swordfights and
>> *** and a lot of his great dialog probably went unnoticed for decades
>> or centuries.
>>
>> This is another of McLuhan's pseudo-mystical attempts to argue that
>> the media of 1960 was somehow different from what had gone before.
>> "Artist and public merge in a single experience". Feh. Like ooh wow,
>> man. But what the hell is it actually supposed to mean?
>>
>> Perhaps McLuhan's ideas were, themselves, interesting enough to
>> warrant reading. But copied and pasted blindly by a tiresome
>> brain-dead idiot like you, purple, it's just more noise.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The new art form of our time is the media themselves, not painting,
>>>> not movies, not drama, but the media themselves have become the new
>>>> art forms.... I write cartoons.... I have wanted to write a play, for
>>>> a long time, on the media. And the media themselves are the avant-
>>>> garde area of our society. Avant-garde no longer exists in painting
>>>> and music and poetry, it's in the media themselves. Not in the
>>>> programs. Avante-garde is not in hockey, not in baseball or any of
>>>> these entertainments. It's in the media themselves." - Marshall
>>>> McLuhan, Forces Magazine, Hydro-Quebec, No.22, p.68, 1973.
>>>>
>>
>> So again, he says that the medium is the message, and repeats himself,
>> and then for good measure he repeats himself. The man made a career
>> out of one cryptic wise-sounding quote.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Hey purple, have you ever actually expressed an idea of your own? You
>> seem to have the copy and paste thing down pat, maybe you should reach
>> out for new horizons.
>>
>> But wow, like copying and pasting is the medium of today, like, that
>> IS the message! Copy-paste! What a message!
>>
>> The message, apparently, is that you aren't capable of thinking for
>> yourself. I guess McLuhan WAS right, the medium IS the message!
>
> People like McLuhan and dean don't seem to actually like art very much
at
> all and any interest they feign is only when it sup****ts their
ideological
> stances.
>
> A year or so back I caught the deanies yammering on and on about Marcel
> Duchamp. It was apparent that not one of them had seen any of Duchamp's
> art in real life.
>
> dean's little cut 'n paste above demonstrates exactly how intellectually
> impoverished and aesthetically bankrupt McLuhan's whole philosophy was
and
> why it is of little worth to anyone except those who make a career out
> McLuluology.
>
> Even funnier than that, it's just WRONG. Totally ass-backwards.
>
>
>
Truer words : Never spoken
Thank you SODDI!
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