> Dear Alex:
>
> CONGRATULATIONS!
thx
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> YOU MADE IT UP TO
> DIS-AGREE-ABILITY!
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cool. Thx for pointing it out.
> This is closely reasoned.
> It puts your viewpoint out
> there ... with no back-off.
> It reflects YOUR thoughts.
>
> It's marvelously disagreeable ...
> without being vicious or sadistic!
>
> You're just NOT going to pretend
> to agree with things you don't!
>
> If you don't understand it ...
> you certainly can't agree with it.
>
> GOOD FOR YOU!
>
> When you know someone is
> dis-agree-ABLE, if he
> DOES agree with you, you
> can be confident he's
> not just bu****ing.
>
> I imagine you are missing the
> point of his article, but I
> don't have the hexperience
> he is trying to relay either.
> I'm seeking to have it myself.
but at least you get what its about and why it is desirable to get
there/realise it.
>
> Since I don't Know, the best
> way I can think about it is
> in tone scale terms. =A0Below
> zero is the false, fake universe
> of alteration and denial. =A0Above
> zero, you ARE yourself, but as
> you go above 20, the SEPARATION
> of self from others disappears.
>
> Gosh! =A0The self must disappear too!
does this then mean that 20 is the highest we can reach.. from then on
we need others to rise further?
> I imagine it's something like
> being the ocean, rather than a wave.
> It must be a matter of what you
> identify with. =A0When you stop
> making separations, it's all one.
I understand the idea, but I don't understand why people want to
attain it. What is the idea?
>
> I keep nibbling on foreground
> vs. background. =A0If *I* is my
> foreground, then "everybody else"
> is my background. =A0But that's
> just an arbitrary separation:
> both are PARTS of the WHOLE ONE.
>
> Intelligence or Perception itself
> would be the whole I am part of:
> such as "The I AM that I AM"
>
> But that's just Thoughts About
> or where [who] I might be: not
> what I directly perceive. =A0I
> must have a lot of separation
> to undo to be it all again.
>
> I don't think an individual
> can raise his tone above 20.
>
> When CONSCIOUSNESS rises above tone
> 20, it ceases to be an INDIVIDUAL.
> That's my metaphor to think with.
thx for sharing. I have a better hold on the what part now. The why is
still hanging.
> Sailor Bob, Nisargadatta, Neal,
> Frank, etc. seem to line up
> perfectly with the Dzog-Chen
> non-duality tradition of
> Namkhai Norbu, etc, but
> without the intense and
> perhaps arbitrary cultural
> symbols history has wrapped
> around the Buddhism/Dzog-chen
> movement, so they seem simpler
> and more sensible to me.
>
> I look at it as a place I might be:
> everywhere. =A0Lot of differences to now!
> Or who could I be? =A0Everyone?
> Lots of differences! =A0But telepathy
> is being someone else too! =A0That's
> at least a start on being everyone!
What similarities if any do you find?
>
> Congratulations on raising
> your own chronic tone!
thx
however this strikes me as odd. I haven't been doing UCP that much but
it does make sense. Finally kicking religion. Getting a new job. New
apartment. Tomorrow flying to spain for holiday that I arranged
myself. Hopefully everything will go well.
>
> You're delightfully
> disagreeable now!
:)
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> .
thx KP
ucpalx
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