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> Subject: Re: strange "knowledge"
>> Dear Alex:
>>
>> CONGRATULATIONS!
>
> thx
>
>> ===================
>> YOU MADE IT UP TO
>> DIS-AGREE-ABILITY!
>> ===================
>
> cool. Thx for pointing it out.
*MY* pleasure to notice it!
>> This is closely reasoned.
>> It puts your viewpoint out
>> there ... with no back-off.
>> It reflects YOUR thoughts.
>>
>> It's marvelously disagreeable ...
>> without being vicious or sadistic!
>>
>> You're just NOT going to pretend
>> to agree with things you don't!
>>
>> If you don't understand it ...
>> you certainly can't agree with it.
>>
>> GOOD FOR YOU!
>>
>> When you know someone is
>> dis-agree-ABLE, if he
>> DOES agree with you, you
>> can be confident he's
>> not just bu****ing.
>>
>> I imagine you are missing the
>> point of his article, but I
>> don't have the hexperience
>> he is trying to relay either.
>> I'm seeking to have it myself.
> but at least you get what its about and
> why it is desirable to get there/realise it.
We're both still seeking something ...
We're just not sure hexactly what yet.
>> Since I don't Know, the best
>> way I can think about it is
>> in tone scale terms. Below
>> zero is the false, fake universe
>> of alteration and denial. Above
>> zero, you ARE yourself, but as
>> you go above 20, the SEPARATION
>> of self from others disappears.
>>
>> Gosh! The self must disappear too!
> does this then mean that 20 is the highest we can reach..
I'm guessing yes.
> from then on we need others to rise further?
I'm guessing NO!
We won't NEED others,
because we ARE others,
which are now NOT "others" ...
but part of the one true sElf.
That's how I model it to myself.
>> I imagine it's something like
>> being the ocean, rather than a wave.
>> It must be a matter of what you
>> identify with. When you stop
>> making separations, it's all one.
>
> I understand the idea, but I don't
> understand why people want to
> attain it. What is the idea?
The people who get there
all seem pretty blissed out.
No complaints so far!
In all the places I've been so far,
there was always something to complain
about: even if it was having to come down.
>> I keep nibbling on foreground
>> vs. background. If *I* is my
>> foreground, then "everybody else"
>> is my background. But that's
>> just an arbitrary separation:
>> both are PARTS of the WHOLE ONE.
>>
>> Intelligence or Perception itself
>> would be the whole I am part of:
>> such as "The I AM that I AM"
>>
>> But that's just Thoughts About
>> or where [who] I might be: not
>> what I directly perceive. I
>> must have a lot of separation
>> to undo to be it all again.
>>
>> I don't think an individual
>> can raise his tone above 20.
>>
>> When CONSCIOUSNESS rises above tone
>> 20, it ceases to be an INDIVIDUAL.
>> That's my metaphor to think with.
> thx for sharing. I have a better hold on the
> what part now. The why is still hanging.
OK!
>> Sailor Bob, Nisargadatta, Neal,
>> Frank, etc. seem to line up
>> perfectly with the Dzog-Chen
>> non-duality tradition of
>> Namkhai Norbu, etc, but
>> without the intense and
>> perhaps arbitrary cultural
>> symbols history has wrapped
>> around the Buddhism/Dzog-chen
>> movement, so they seem simpler
>> and more sensible to me.
>>
>> I look at it as a place I might be:
>> everywhere. Lot of differences to now!
>> Or who could I be? Everyone?
>> Lots of differences! But telepathy
>> is being someone else too! That's
>> at least a start on being everyone!
> What similarities if any do you find?
The people I've had telepathic contact
with seemed to amazingly be JUST LIKE ME.
I got their thoughts because
they seemed much like my own.
Even though we lived
vastly different lives.
>> Congratulations on raising
>> your own chronic tone!
>
> thx
>
> however this strikes me as odd. I haven't been
> doing UCP that much but it does make sense.
It makes sense to me that as you come up tone,
your attention comes OFF of yourself and your
internal conflicts, and onto your hexternalife.
You've been too busy with
your life for much UCP!
When your attention is all wrapped up in
pretending and denial, it never gets loose.
Above zero, it goes onto YOU. As it gets
loose from that too, it wanders away to
Others, and the rest of your Background.
As it escaped from alteration and denial, so
it eventually escapes from the ME/YOU trap too!
Why not be Both
... or ALL?
In non-duality ...
ONE is ALL there is!
That's the inevitable conclusion
... of eliminating separation.
> Finally kicking religion.
Finding your own answers?
.... To your own questions?
Being ... your own religion?
> Getting a new job.
No longer wondering why you
put up with the old one? :-)
> New apartment.
Moving out of fixed conditions?
> Tomorrow flying to spain for holiday that I arranged
> myself. Hopefully everything will go well.
Creating your own now and future?
Not much attention left for your "case"?
Gosh! I hope it doesn't get too lonely!
How would you cope if it committed suicide?
>> You're delightfully
>> disagreeable now!
>
> :)
>
>> O
>> --- )
>> \
>>
>> .
>
> thx KP
>
> ucpalx
Way Cool!
KP
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