On May 18, 8:23=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >On May 18, 8:49=3DA0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> In article
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> >> Walt says...
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> >> >On 17 May, 13:15, Ben Holmes <ad...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> In article
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> >> >com>,
> >> >> curtjester1 says...
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> >> >> >On May 16, 8:07=3D3D3DA0pm, yeuhd <wall...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> On May 16, 9:37=3D3D3DA0pm, HPW...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> > > How could two bullets supposedly the same react in such a
> >> >> >> > > different fa****on from each other?
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> >> >> >> > Simple. It was a plant used to frame Oswald.
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> >> >> >> If it was a "plant" --
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> >> >> >> 1. Why would someone plant a bullet in the condition that CE399
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> >> >> >> inviting decades of skepticism?
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> >> >> >Oh, like they would know in advance. The conspiratists bumbled,
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> >> >> >bumbled all the time. They just denied, stonewalled, or
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> >> >> >Just like the library card found on Oswald...the ol' hot potato
> >> >> >routine.
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> >> >> The 6.5mm virtually round object in the AP X-ray is another good
> >> >> example of a fumble... as is the wallet found, not at the Tippit
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> >> >> but in the parking lot, as Walt has so devastatingly proved.
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> >> >> The coverup was *not* perfect.
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> >> >> >> 2. How did the person(s) get the barrel markings of Oswald's
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> >> >> >> the bullet?
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> >> >> >If they can manufacture a money order and an order blank, all
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> >> >> >to do would be to get the rifle into play and monitor it. Just
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> >> >> >it a fire, and keep the bullet.
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> >> >> Yep... this is the silliest of all questions... It presupposes
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> >> >> FBI had no access to the MC.
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> >> >> >> 3. How would the person(s) planting the bullet
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> >> >> This strawman has long ago been destroyed.
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> >> >> No "planting" was needed... indeed, every person who handled CE399
> >> >> refused to identify it as the bullet that they'd handled.
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> >> >> All that's needed is for the bullet to be swapped at the FBI...
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> >> >> is the only thing that *I* can think of to explain the evidence as
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> >> >> know it. But perhaps some LNT'er can explain why the chain of
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> >> >> is as bad as it is in this particular case...
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> >> >> >> know how many bullets
> >> >> >> would be recovered in surgery and in the limousine, and thus
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> >> >> >> CE399 would be one bullet too many?
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> >> >> >The idea of having a bullet tagged to a specific weapon trumped
> >> >> >anything. Or IOW, what if the bullet(s) couldn't be tagged to a
MC?=
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> >> >> The plot, at it's most simple, would have been to use the rifle
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> >> >> they could ascribe owner****p to the patsy... but more than this -
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> >> >> was im****tant to have at least one bullet that could indisputably
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> >> >> ballistically matched to that rifle.
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> >> >> I suspect that this was not pre-planned, it's not improbable to
> >> >> consider that the bullet found at Parkland had nothing whatsoever
> >> >> to do with the case.
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> >> >Ben, would you explain why you think that ......."the bullet found
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> >> >Parkland had nothing whatsoever to do with the case."
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> >> >Thanks
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> >> Certainly! The bullet was, by the testimony of Tomlinson, *NOT* found
> >> on a stretcher belonging to either JFK or Connally... the possibility
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> >> reasonable that the stretcher it was found on had just been used by a
> >> 2 1/2 year old, Ronald Fuller. (Not that I believe he was shot...)
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> >> bullet, according to Tomlinson, "apparently had been lodged under the
> >> edge of the mat." - so it may have been from almost any patient that
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> >> used that stretcher in the previous few days - I don't know the
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> >> which they 'detailed' the stretchers before another person used it -
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> >> suspect not much more than changing the sheets... or it could have
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> >> planted - but - NOT CE399! If a bullet was planted, it was *NOT*
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> >> as all those who handled it refuse to identify it, and Tomlinson has
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> >> on record as describing the bullet he found as a "pointed" head
bullet.=
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> >> So *if* someone planted a bullet, they didn't plant the obvious one -
> >> a bullet coming from the MC. Which doesn't make much sense, even if
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> >> knew they could swap it later on. And certainly, LNT'ers who argue
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> >> the conspirators wouldn't know if such a planted bullet would 'fit
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> >> the case have a somewhat valid point - even if it's largely nullified
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> >> the fact that the FBI controlled all the evidence.
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> >> My suspicion is that the bullet had nothing whatsoever to do with the
> >> case, and was just a random occurrence that was taken advantage of by
> >> the FBI as they framed Oswald.
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> >> The evidence is fairly persuasive that whatever the cir***stances may
> >> have been, the bullet originally found is *NOT* the same as what is
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> >> known as CE399.
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> >> This is why I lean toward believing that the bullet found at Parkland
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> >> nothing whatsoever to do with the case.
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> >> Here's some interesting reading:
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>>http://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/EvenMor...=
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> >Interesting read...the ol' 'double plant' theory.
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> I hasten to add that *I* don't believe a bullet was planted - although
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> motive, means, and op****tunity were certainly there - it's a rather
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"I think that a bullet that had nothing to do with the case popped up,
and the FBI took advantage of it... keep in mind that according to the
eyewitness accounts, those at Bethesda were almost frantic in their
search for a bullet. This must have seemed like a godsend to someone
at the FBI."
What is your thinking regarding several issues then? Firstly, Hoover,
felt the bullet found at the hospital was from JFK's stretcher, and
exited his back wound during cardiac massage. This was Humes initial
thought as well, and this was re****ted by FBI agents O'Neill and
Siebert in their re****t.
Secondly, when Judge Theron Ward was requested to approve the SS's
request to remove the body from the hospital and take it back to D.C.
he said "I will have to consult with Dallas District Attorney Henry
Wade." The advice he got from Wade and Curry was NOT to release the
body until the "missile" is taken into evidence. This call took place
at 1:25 PM and the "magic bullet", CE399, will not be found until 1:45
PM, so how did Wade know a bullet will be discovered at all?
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