On Jun 29, 6:52=A0pm, Bud <sirsl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 5:24 pm, "robcap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <robcap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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> > On Jun 24, 8:03 pm, Bud <sirsl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 24, 3:23 pm, "robcap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<robcap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > wrote:
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> > > > On Jun 24, 4:16 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > =A0 Top Post: Why is robcap such an idiot that he can`t respond in
th=
e
> > > odinary manner, but must bracket what he is responding to in quotes?
>
> > Better idjit?
>
> =A0 =A0Yah, it is.
>
> > Who invited you to this discussion?
>
> =A0 =A0It`s an open forum, numbnuts.
It is open to people who know the JFK assassination, and from what I
seen of your posts since I have been here this does NOT include you.
>
> > =A0I guess because
> > Dave can't handle the answers himself you have to jump in, right?
>
> =A0 =A0 I responded because I felt like it, not knowing who else also
> might ridicule and embarrass you about your idiot drivel.
You wish, you can't even handle the basic aspects of this case. Why
not get offline for a change and actually read the WCR and its 26
accompanying volumes?
>
> > > > > >>> "The motorcade route (minus turns on Houston and Elm) and
the=
luncheon were set as of September 13, 1963, before LHO started work at
the=
TSBD." <<<
>
> > > > "Total bull****. Learn the case. And the proper chronology."
>
> > > > I like how when you nail Dave on one dishonest assertion, the
Davis=
'
> > > > ladies found shells that had a proper chain of custody,
>
> > > =A0 What authority has determined the shells found on the Davis`s
law=
n
> > > didn`t have a proper chain of custody? Who determines these things,
> > > courts, or idiots?
>
> > I think when the people who found the shells say they are NOT the same
> > ones as the WC put forth that is all the proof I need.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Can you quote the people who found these shells saying they
> weren`t the shells they found? In any case, courts decide chain of
> custody issues, not internet idiots.
Already have moron, why don't you keep up. It is in the WC's 26
volumes.
>
> > =A0A lying troll
> > like you will disregard this fact though. =A0Too bad it is contained
in
> > the bible you wor****p, yet seem to know nothing of what it contains,
> > so you can't dispute that the shells found and the shells presented as
> > "evidence" by the WC are two seperate entities.
>
> =A0 Your denial of the evidence doesn`t mean anything.
Who's denying it idjit, I posted it when discussing this with DVP
(which he ran from and started another attack from like 6 months ago),
but for the reading impaired (i.e. YOU) here it is again:
Volume XXIV, page 414
> > > > he diverts to
> > > > some old debate from last year. Let's see if what he claims is
> > > > correct, I'm betting not, or at least, leaves out all the details.
>
> > > > "It was announced in mid-September that JFK would be going to
Dalla=
s,
> > > > yes. But the site for the November 22 luncheon (and, hence, the
exa=
ct
> > > > motorcade route through the city) wasn't determined and finalized
> > > > until much later (November 13 or 14 to be more precise)."
>
> > > > No it wasn't. =A0The motorcade route that INCLUDED the turns onto
> > > > Houston and Elm was NOT announced until November 19 when it was
lis=
ted
> > > > in the paper. =A0The advance team toured the route with Curry and
h=
e did
> > > > NOT show them the two turns, period. =A0There was NO discussion of
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the
> > > > two turns onto Houston and Elm until it was listed in the paper on
> > > > November 19 & 20 (and not all showed these as well). =A0Those
turns
> > > > would probably have been nixed (we hope anyway, but given the poor
> > > > performance of the SS on 11/22/63 who knows) as they were too
sharp
> > > > and required the car to slow too much.
>
> > > > "Ken O'Donnell is the one who approved the Trade Mart for the
> > > > luncheon....and he didn't put the stamp of finality on that
decisio=
n
> > > > until November 13th or 14th."
>
> > > > This is irrelevant as the destination had nothing to do with JFK's
> > > > death, it was the illegal two turns (in comparison to the SS
manual=
)
> > > > that made his death so easy. =A0They should have stayed on Main
St.
>
> > > > "Look it up on Page 31 of the Warren Re****t, right here:
>
> > >
>http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCRe****t_0028a.htm=
"
>
> > > > I've seen it and it means very little as the addition of the two
tu=
rns
> > > > increased the likelihood JFK would die, NOT the destination.
>
> > > > "Plus -- The specific motorcade route through Dealey Plaza wasn't
m=
ade
> > > > known to the public (including Mr. Oswald) until the morning of
> > > > Tuesday, November 19th."
>
> > > > Exactly, thanks for pointing this out. =A0This works against the
ch=
arges
> > > > of the WC that he planned this assassination for some time. There
i=
s
> > > > no proof he ever read of this trip in the paper as he
occassionally
> > > > read papers left in the lunchroom, but yet again the WC failed to
> > > > prove that LHO read of the visit and the fact of the motorcade
pass=
ing
> > > > beneath the TSBD.
>
> > >It was information widely available.
>
> > Widely available in the paper, but the WC FAILED to prove this is how
> > LHO learned of the visit.
>
> =A0 =A0The information was widely available.
This is NOT proving LHO read it though is it? Many things are widely
available but that is NOT the same as proving someone learned of it
from this or these sources. The WC FAILED to prove how he learned of
the visit, if he did at all.
> > They FAILED to prove he heard of the visit
> > and motorcade route in any other manner either. =A0Prove they did, I
> > dare you.
>
> =A0 =A0Not necessary. =A0Only need to show it was inormation widely
> available.
Of course it isn't, since you CAN'T PROVE IT!!! It could be widely
available in ways LHO never used, these are NOT the same, and if you
continue to say they are the "L" word will soon be used.
>
> > > > =A0He in fact asked several other coworkers what all
> > > > the fuss was about. =A0You have no proof he knew JFK was even
comin=
g to
> > > > Dallas, let alone that he would pass right below him.
>
> > > =A0 =A0Oz shooting JFK from his work proves he knew Kennedy was
passi=
ng
> > > there. And I can see OJ using this tactic "Prove I knew Nicole was
> > > going to be home when I supposedly went and killed her".
>
> > Another comment that proves you are an idjit. =A0IF the WC could NOT
> > prove he knew JFK was coming, and they could NOT, why do you swallow
> > hook, line and sinker that he did? =A0How stupid are you? =A0Does
someo=
ne
> > spoon feed you your meals too?
>
> =A0 =A0 Prove Ruby had enough strength in his trigger finger to pull the
> trigger of his gun.
You are insane. Ruby was caught on film shooting LHO, where is the
film showing how LHO learned JFK was coming to Dallas and would pass
right beneath the windows of his workplace? Where is the proof that
LHO even knew JFK was coming to Dallas?
>
> > > > "The whole notion of some kind of "plot" with respect to "placing"
=
LHO
> > > > in the Depository Building is one of the most insane theories ever
> > > > postulated by CTers over the years."
>
> > > > Why? =A0IF LHO had gotten the job on his own, I would admit it was
=
a
> > > > little far-fetched, but he did NOT get the job on his own. =A0He
ha=
d
> > > > help from several people who are quite suspicious to me (Ruth
Paine=
,
> > > > Linnie Mae Randle and her brother Wes Frazier, and Roy Truly) in
> > > > landing this position.
>
> > > =A0 <snicker> These people are suspicious to you, but Oz isn`t.
>
> > Unfortunately for you, these people have more suspicious things
> > attributed to them that can't be explained away than LHO.
>
> =A0 =A0Kooks have explained away the suspicious things about Oz to their
> own satisfaction? Theres a meaningless criteria.
IF kook=3Dshowing how the "evidence" presented by the WC is faulty then
you are right. You have NO proof, NO evidence, and NO motive LHO shot
JFK and JDT.
> > > > =A0It was also supposed to be a short-term
> > > > position, but has luck would have he would still be there on
11/22/=
63.
> > > > He was given an option of another job with better pay, but for
some
> > > > reason he never pursued it, why? =A0It was never really
investigate=
d so
> > > > we don't know, but it is not a leap to assume someone talked him
ou=
t
> > > > of it.
>
> > > =A0 =A0Someone you imagine talked Oz, with a wife and two kids, out
o=
f
> > > taking a better paying job? Now we are getting somewhere.
>
> > That is what happened lame brain as it is a matter of record he was
> > eligible for a better job through the job service, but since you know
> > so little about this case of course you wouldn't know this.
>
> =A0 =A0Who talked Oz out of doing somehing in his best interests?
The better question is why did he NOT take a job that paid more with a
wife and two children? I mean the TSBD job was tem****ary to boot.
> > > > "It's insane because of how we KNOW Lee Oswald got his
job....which
> > > > was a job that was obtained through garden-variety happenstance
and
> > > > ordinary word-of-mouth -- from Wes Frazier, to Linnie Randle, to
Ru=
th
> > > > Paine/Marina Oswald, to Lee Oswald, to Roy Truly (with the latter
> > > > hiring Oswald on October 15th)."
>
> > > > Sure, just more luck and coincidences here.
>
> > > =A0 =A0Bad luck for Kennedy, as it turned out.
>
> > JFK was a dead man as teams of shooters where in place
>
> =A0 =A0Every place, to hear kooks tell it.
No, just three places.
>
> > and LHO did NOT
> > fire a shot.
>
> =A0 =A0JFK will be glad to hear that.
Exactly the point moron, by lying and blaming someone who was not
guilty of shooting him people like you have allowed the guilty parties
to go free.
>
> > > > I like the part where
> > > > Truly told Ruth Paine they had NO open positions, but when LHO
goes=
to
> > > > interview he is hired on the spot! =A0Maybe Truly liked him and he
=
was
> > > > nice? =A0Not according to later testimony by Truly, he was
strange,
> > > > unusual, and lied about many things, yet the guy hires him soon
aft=
er
> > > > meeting him. =A0Make any sense to anyone else? =A0Not me.
>
> > > =A0 =A0Do you think everything needs to be explained to an idiots
> > > satisfaction? Truly hired Oz. You`ve had decades, and all you have
is
> > > "this doesn`t look right to me"? Nothing more tangible, who
contacted
> > > Truly to hire Oz, something, anything.
>
> > This is all common sense stuff, and anyone with a brain (that leaves
> > you out) and honest with themself will see this is all stuff that
> > lacks common sense and logic.
>
> =A0 <snicker> it common sense that it takes people o do these things you
> just seem to "know" occurred. Who were they? You kooks have had
> decades, and you can`t sup****t these things you just "know" happened.
> Couldn`t yesterday, can`t today, won`t be able to tomorrow.
Bud isn't convinced it could have happened another way despite every
piece of "evidence" put forth by the WC being shown to be inaccurate
in the last 44 years. They provided NO proof and motive for why LHO
would want JFK dead or how he managed to do it. What a sucker Bud
is. Or is he the dreaded "L" word?
> > > > Speaking of coincidences, wasn't it amazing luck Wes Frazier was
> > > > summoned to Dallas in September and moved in with his sister who
ju=
st
> > > > happened to live a few blocks from Ruth Paine?
>
> > > =A0 No idiot, Frazier moved in with his sister, looked for a job,
and
> > > found one at the TSBD. The information that the place was hiring was
> > > conveyed by Frazier`s sister to Ruth Paine. This is just the normal
> > > way things occur, no coincidence at all. The real coincidence was
tha=
t
> > > the political figure would wind up going past the murderous
political
> > > fanatic`s workplace.
>
> > You are not even responding to the part you left above, what a loon!
> > I mentioned him moving to Dallas and moving in with his sister and
> > that she lived a few blocks from the Paines and you mention the job at
> > TSBD! =A0Try to follow along, okay? What are the odds his sister would
> > live a few blocks from the house where Marina would be staying?
> > Astronomical!
>
> =A0 =A0 How is it a coincidence? It`s a series of events, idiot.
Since you live in a trailer in the hinterlands of the US you probably
don't understand what living in a decent sized city is like. The odds
her brother (Linnie Mae Randle)would come to Dallas (Irving) and move
in with her and that her house would be just a few blocks away from
Ruth Paine is astronomical in and of itself. Do you have any clue how
many homes are in Dallas and the surrounding suburbs (of course not)?
Now add in her brother (Wes Frazier) getting a job at the TSBD with NO
connections (supposedly), and Marina Oswald moving into Ruth Paine's
house while she was "seperated" from her husband (they would get back
together after the assassination). Now add in that LHO needed a job
and they could get one so easily for him when there were NO openings
(Roy Truly said so) and this would make it so convenient for Wes
Frazier to give him a ride to work, and then consider this all
happened with 2 months of the assassination. Sure, you're right,
there is nothing suspicious here.
> > > >And that he would be
> > > > available to provide rides to LHO on such a ready basis?
>
> > > =A0 Yah, strange that two people who work at the same place, one
with=
a
> > > car and one without, could come up with such an arrangement.
>
> > Nice try of skipping over
>
> ...
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