"Sam Brown" <samjbrown68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "tomnln" <tomnln@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Sam Brown" <samjbrown68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "tomnln" <tomnln@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Hi Timmy;
>>>>
>>>> Amazing how the "Greastest Investigation in History"
>>>
>>> Who are you quoting Toothless? Citation for this please.
>>>
>>>
>>> didn't think to show
>>>> Mr. Jones photos of other Principes
>>>> to find out WHO picked up those flyers Huh Timmy???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Jones KNEW it was NOT Oswald.
>>
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>> I Always suggest that people read the evidence/testimony in the 26
>> volumes.
>>
>> Until you do, you'll never know for sure which side is Lying to you.
>>
>> That's where you'll find it sam.
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>
> Liar. ROTFLMAO
Are you telling us that ABOMINATIONS Can't resd???
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>>>> <timstter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> TOP POST
>>>>
>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, not exactly correct, Martin. No one at Jones Printing seems to
>>>> actually offer an ID of who picked up the printing, Martin. You
should
>>>> go back and read the statements sometime.
>>>>
>>>> As it is, the statements of Jones Printing staff need to be weighed
>>>> against the fact of the finding of copies of Oswald's FPCC handbill
in
>>>> their records, along with a handwritten draft of same, related
billing
>>>> material and then Oswald's own mailing of copies of the handbill to
>>>> Vincent Lee (FPCC) and Arnold Johnson (CPUSA) within days of the
print
>>>> order being completed.
>>>>
>>>> The print order was completed around 4 June, 1963. Quiroga visited
>>>> Oswald at 4907 Magazine St on the afternoon or evening of 16 August,
>>>> 1963.
>>>>
>>>> Your scenario about Quiroga *delivering* the completed pamphlets to
>>>> Oswald is entirely implausible, given Oswald posted copies out in
>>>> early June, picketed USS Wasp with copies of the leaflets in mid
June,
>>>> was arrested (and filmed) on 9 August while leafleting and filmed
>>>> again around midday on 16 August passing out the leaflets.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that the case, Martin? Of course it is.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tim Brennan
>>>> Sydney, Australia
>>>> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 13, 4:47 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The printer (Jones) said someone else picked up the leaflets.
>>>>> Oswald's landlady said Quiroga delivered them to Oswald.
>>>>> These testimonies are consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> TOP POST
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, did he?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not evidence of about the same worth as your *stack of
leaflets*
>>>>> nonsense is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> The preponderance of evidence, Martin, is that Oswald was solely
>>>>> responsible for arranging the printing and distribution of FPCC
>>>>> material in New Orleans in mid 1963.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think any *serious researcher* would conclude that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Brennan
>>>>> Sydney, Australia
>>>>> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > And the printer said Oswald wasn't the guy who picked up the
flyers.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> > <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi tomnln,
>>>>>
>>>>> > Say, which pro Castro literature from the printer would that be
>>>>> > then,
>>>>> > tomnln? There were three different items printed.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Oswald himself said he organised the printing of these items,
>>>>> > tomnln.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> > Tim Brennan
>>>>> > Sydney, Australia
>>>>> > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Jul 9, 2:25 am, "tomnln" <tom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Hi Timmy;
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Tell us WHO picked up the Pro-Castro literature from the
Printer?
>>>>>
>>>>> > > We know it was NOT Oswald.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
>>>>> >
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>>>>> > > TOP POST
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Hi Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>> > > The claim that Carlos Quiroga delivered a 5 to 6 inch stack of
>>>>> > > leaflets to Oswald sounds highly dubious to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Quiroga was using the address that Oswald had stamped on the
>>>>> > > leaflets
>>>>> > > that he had given out at International Trade Mart, 4907 Magazine
>>>>> > > St,
>>>>> > > to locate Oswald in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > On the face of it, the landlady story doesn't STACK up, LOL! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Tim Brennan
>>>>> > > Sydney, Australia
>>>>> > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>>>>>
>>>>> > > On Jul 5, 4:18 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > False Defector program:
>>>>> > > > Source: Victor Marchetti, former executive assistant to the
>>>>> > > > Director
>>>>> > > > of
>>>>> > > > CIA
>>>>> > > > Details: run out of Nag's Head, North Carolina by Naval
>>>>> > > > Intelligence
>>>>> > > > in
>>>>> > > > 1959,
>>>>> > > > involving 36-40 men, sent into the Soviet Union and Eastern
>>>>> > > > European
>>>>> > > > countries; trained at various naval installations in the U.S.
>>>>> > > > and
>>>>> > > > abroad.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > Ruth Paine:
>>>>> > > > CIA connections:
>>>>> > > > George DeMohrenschildt, directed at Oswald by local CIA man J.
>>>>> > > > Walton Moore, arranged for Ruth to meet Marina. He arranged
>>>>> > > > the party at which they met, and brought the Oswalds, and paid
>>>>> > > > close attention to how Ruth and Marina got along. Two months
>>>>> > > > later, DeMohrenschildt left for Haiti, and Ruth became the new
>>>>> > > > "Oswald best friend." J. Edgar Hoover advised the Warren
>>>>> > > > Commission to suppress do***ents relating to the Paines and
>>>>> > > > the DeMohrenschildts.
>>>>> > > > Michael Paine worked for defense contractor Bell Helicopter, a
>>>>> > > > flying machine invented by his stepfather. His work involved a
>>>>> > > > security clearance. His mother was a close friend of Mary
>>>>> > > > Bancroft, Allen Dulles' mistress. Dulles helped to steer the
>>>>> > > > questioning away from these topics.
>>>>> > > > Ruth's father, William Avery Hyde, was rewarded with an AID
>>>>> > > > contract covering all of Latin America, in a CIA-related role.
>>>>> > > > His re****ts were sent to the CIA.
>>>>> > > > Ruth's older sister, Sylvia Hyde Hoke, was a CIA employee by
>>>>> > > > 1955 at the latest. Ruth stayed with her in September 1963.
>>>>> > > > Sylvia's husband John was also a CIA employee. Ruth went
>>>>> > > > from there to New Orleans to pick up Marina. Ruth denied to
>>>>> > > > Jim Garrison that she knew which agency Sylvia worked for.
>>>>> > > > Marina testified in New Orleans that after the assassination,
>>>>> > > > the
>>>>> > > > Secret Service advised her to avoid Ruth, due to her
connection
>>>>> > > > to the CIA.
>>>>> > > > Ruth and the TSBD job:
>>>>> > > > Ruth told the Warren Commission that she heard about a job
>>>>> > > > opening from her neighbor, Linnie Mae Randle, and passed the
>>>>> > > > information on to Oswald. Ms. Randle told the Commission she
>>>>> > > > hadn't been aware of any job opening.
>>>>> > > > When the Texas Employment Commission called to say there was
>>>>> > > > a better-paying job available for Oswald, Marina's "friend"
Ruth
>>>>> > > > kept the information to herself and never told Oswald. The job
>>>>> > > > was at Trans-Texas Airways. Unlike the TSBD job, it wasn't
>>>>> > > > tem****ary, and paid $100 per month more. When the TEC called
>>>>> > > > again, they were curtly told Oswald already had a job. She
first
>>>>> > > > told the Warren Commission she never knew about the better
job,
>>>>> > > > then said she vaguely recalled it, then said Oswald had told
her
>>>>> > > > about it, but that it "fell through." Then she admitted
knowing
>>>>> > > > about
>>>>> > > > the job offer when Oswald was still unemployed--so she had to
>>>>> > > > have been the person called by the TEC. She falsely said that
>>>>> > > > Oswald had checked on the job, but it had been filled. It had,
>>>>> > > > of
>>>>> > > > course, been filled because she told the TEC he already had a
>>>>> > > > job.
>>>>> > > > She claimed that he got the info from the TEC and told her and
>>>>> > > > Marina about it--which was impossible. The TEC never talked
>>>>> > > > directly with him about it--only the two calls to the Paine
>>>>> > > > home.
>>>>> > > > Marina said that, after he began at the TSBD, he continued to
>>>>> > > > answer ads, looking for something better.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > The Fair Play for Cuba leaflet delivery:
>>>>> > > > The witness who saw Carlos Quiroga visit Oswald was Oswald's
>>>>> > > > landlady. She re****ted that Quiroga brought a 5-6 inch stack
of
>>>>> > > > leaflets with him.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > CIA and Secret Service credentials:
>>>>> > > > In June 2007, the CIA finally released its "Family Jewels"
>>>>> > > > re****t,
>>>>> > > > running to 702 pages. It included a memo by Sidney Gottlieb,
>>>>> > > > head
>>>>> > > > of the Technical Services Division, dated May 8, 1973.
Gottlieb
>>>>> > > > stated that his division provided the Secret Service with
"gate
>>>>> > > > p*****, security p*****, p***** for presidential campaign,
>>>>> > > > emblems
>>>>> > > > for presidential vehicles, a secure ID photo system."
>>>>> > > > Officially, the
>>>>> > > > Secret Service ID was made by the Bureau of Engraving and
>>>>> > > > Printing.
>>>>> > > > The CIA could have supplied AUTHENTIC Secret Service
credentials
>>>>> > > > for a CIA operation.
>>>>>
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