On Jul 15, 12:55 am, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
> Calling someone a kook is a typical way to dismiss a view with which you
> disagree. It's a poor substitute for anything.
Here I thought it was an accurate use of the word to describe a
person with a fanatical belief in irrational things.
> Martin
>
> "Bud" <sirsl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Jul 14, 2:17 am, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > wrote:
> >> Why not answer your own questions, Tim--oh, I see that you did.
>
> > Martin is a garden variety fanatic. He isn`t the least bit
> > interested in the truth behind these events, he only wishes to make
> > them conform to his world view. To this end, kooks like himself
> > convince themselves that the months old remembrances of a printer, who
> > prints batches of material for a variety of people daily, becomes rock
> > solid indisputable evidence. This is the kind of information that
> > kooks have been desperately clinging to for decades. When you don`t
> > have much, you have to take what you can get.
>
> >> Martin
>
> >> <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> Hi Martin,
>
> >> Hmmm, not exactly correct, Martin. No one at Jones Printing seems to
> >> actually offer an ID of who picked up the printing, Martin. You
should
> >> go back and read the statements sometime.
>
> >> As it is, the statements of Jones Printing staff need to be weighed
> >> against the fact of the finding of copies of Oswald's FPCC handbill
in
> >> their records, along with a handwritten draft of same, related
billing
> >> material and then Oswald's own mailing of copies of the handbill to
> >> Vincent Lee (FPCC) and Arnold Johnson (CPUSA) within days of the
print
> >> order being completed.
>
> >> The print order was completed around 4 June, 1963. Quiroga visited
> >> Oswald at 4907 Magazine St on the afternoon or evening of 16 August,
> >> 1963.
>
> >> Your scenario about Quiroga *delivering* the completed pamphlets to
> >> Oswald is entirely implausible, given Oswald posted copies out in
> >> early June, picketed USS Wasp with copies of the leaflets in mid
June,
> >> was arrested (and filmed) on 9 August while leafleting and filmed
> >> again around midday on 16 August passing out the leaflets.
>
> >> Isn't that the case, Martin? Of course it is.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Tim Brennan
> >> Sydney, Australia
> >> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> >> On Jul 13, 4:47 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> wrote:
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> >> > The printer (Jones) said someone else picked up the leaflets.
> >> > Oswald's landlady said Quiroga delivered them to Oswald.
> >> > These testimonies are consistent.
>
> >> > Martin
>
> >> > <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > Hi Martin,
>
> >> > Oh, did he?
>
> >> > It's not evidence of about the same worth as your *stack of
leaflets*
> >> > nonsense is it?
>
> >> > The preponderance of evidence, Martin, is that Oswald was solely
> >> > responsible for arranging the printing and distribution of FPCC
> >> > material in New Orleans in mid 1963.
>
> >> > I think any *serious researcher* would conclude that.
>
> >> > Regards,
>
> >> > Tim Brennan
> >> > Sydney, Australia
> >> > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
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> >> > On Jul 12, 4:25 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > wrote:
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> >> > > And the printer said Oswald wasn't the guy who picked up the
flyers.
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> >> > > Martin
>
> >> > > <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >
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> >> > > Hi tomnln,
>
> >> > > Say, which pro Castro literature from the printer would that be
then,
> >> > > tomnln? There were three different items printed.
>
> >> > > Oswald himself said he organised the printing of these items,
tomnln.
>
> >> > > Regards,
>
> >> > > Tim Brennan
> >> > > Sydney, Australia
> >> > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
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> >> > > On Jul 9, 2:25 am, "tomnln" <tom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >> > > > Hi Timmy;
>
> >> > > > Tell us WHO picked up the Pro-Castro literature from the
Printer?
>
> >> > > > We know it was NOT Oswald.
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> >> > > > <timst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > >
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> >> > > > Hi Martin,
>
> >> > > > The claim that Carlos Quiroga delivered a 5 to 6 inch stack of
> >> > > > leaflets to Oswald sounds highly dubious to me.
>
> >> > > > Quiroga was using the address that Oswald had stamped on the
> >> > > > leaflets
> >> > > > that he had given out at International Trade Mart, 4907
Magazine
> >> > > > St,
> >> > > > to locate Oswald in the first place.
>
> >> > > > On the face of it, the landlady story doesn't STACK up, LOL!
:-)
>
> >> > > > Regards,
>
> >> > > > Tim Brennan
> >> > > > Sydney, Australia
> >> > > > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
>
> >> > > > On Jul 5, 4:18 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > False Defector program:
> >> > > > > Source: Victor Marchetti, former executive assistant to the
> >> > > > > Director
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > CIA
> >> > > > > Details: run out of Nag's Head, North Carolina by Naval
> >> > > > > Intelligence
> >> > > > > in
> >> > > > > 1959,
> >> > > > > involving 36-40 men, sent into the Soviet Union and Eastern
> >> > > > > European
> >> > > > > countries; trained at various naval installations in the U.S.
and
> >> > > > > abroad.
>
> >> > > > > Ruth Paine:
> >> > > > > CIA connections:
> >> > > > > George DeMohrenschildt, directed at Oswald by local CIA man
J.
> >> > > > > Walton Moore, arranged for Ruth to meet Marina. He arranged
> >> > > > > the party at which they met, and brought the Oswalds, and
paid
> >> > > > > close attention to how Ruth and Marina got along. Two months
> >> > > > > later, DeMohrenschildt left for Haiti, and Ruth became the
new
> >> > > > > "Oswald best friend." J. Edgar Hoover advised the Warren
> >> > > > > Commission to suppress do***ents relating to the Paines and
> >> > > > > the DeMohrenschildts.
> >> > > > > Michael Paine worked for defense contractor Bell Helicopter,
a
> >> > > > > flying machine invented by his stepfather. His work involved
a
> >> > > > > security clearance. His mother was a close friend of Mary
> >> > > > > Bancroft, Allen Dulles' mistress. Dulles helped to steer the
> >> > > > > questioning away from these topics.
> >> > > > > Ruth's father, William Avery Hyde, was rewarded with an AID
> >> > > > > contract covering all of Latin America, in a CIA-related
role.
> >> > > > > His re****ts were sent to the CIA.
> >> > > > > Ruth's older sister, Sylvia Hyde Hoke, was a CIA employee by
> >> > > > > 1955 at the latest. Ruth stayed with her in September 1963.
> >> > > > > Sylvia's husband John was also a CIA employee. Ruth went
> >> > > > > from there to New Orleans to pick up Marina. Ruth denied to
> >> > > > > Jim Garrison that she knew which agency Sylvia worked for.
> >> > > > > Marina testified in New Orleans that after the assassination,
the
> >> > > > > Secret Service advised her to avoid Ruth, due to her
connection
> >> > > > > to the CIA.
> >> > > > > Ruth and the TSBD job:
> >> > > > > Ruth told the Warren Commission that she heard about a job
> >> > > > > opening from her neighbor, Linnie Mae Randle, and passed the
> >> > > > > information on to Oswald. Ms. Randle told the Commission she
> >> > > > > hadn't been aware of any job opening.
> >> > > > > When the Texas Employment Commission called to say there was
> >> > > > > a better-paying job available for Oswald, Marina's "friend"
Ruth
> >> > > > > kept the information to herself and never told Oswald. The
job
> >> > > > > was at Trans-Texas Airways. Unlike the TSBD job, it wasn't
> >> > > > > tem****ary, and paid $100 per month more. When the TEC called
> >> > > > > again, they were curtly told Oswald already had a job. She
first
> >> > > > > told the Warren Commission she never knew about the better
job,
> >> > > > > then said she vaguely recalled it, then said Oswald had told
her
> >> > > > > about it, but that it "fell through." Then she admitted
knowing
> >> > > > > about
> >> > > > > the job offer when Oswald was still unemployed--so she had to
> >> > > > > have been the person called by the TEC. She falsely said that
> >> > > > > Oswald had checked on the job, but it had been filled. It
had, of
> >> > > > > course, been filled because she told the TEC he already had a
> >> > > > > job.
> >> > > > > She claimed that he got the info from the TEC and told her
and
> >> > > > > Marina about it--which was impossible. The TEC never talked
> >> > > > > directly with him about it--only the two calls to the Paine
home.
> >> > > > > Marina said that, after he began at the TSBD, he continued to
> >> > > > > answer ads, looking for something better.
>
> >> > > > > The Fair Play for Cuba leaflet delivery:
> >> > > > > The witness who saw Carlos Quiroga visit Oswald was Oswald's
> >> > > > > landlady. She re****ted that Quiroga brought a 5-6 inch stack
of
> >> > > > > leaflets with him.
>
> >> > > > > CIA and Secret Service credentials:
> >> > > > > In June 2007, the CIA finally released its "Family Jewels"
> >> > > > > re****t,
> >> > > > > running to 702 pages. It included a memo by Sidney Gottlieb,
head
> >> > > > > of the Technical Services Division, dated May 8, 1973.
Gottlieb
> >> > > > > stated that his division provided the Secret Service with
"gate
> >> > > > > p*****, security p*****, p***** for presidential campaign,
> >> > > > > emblems
> >> > > > > for presidential vehicles, a secure ID photo system."
Officially,
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > Secret Service ID was made by the Bureau of Engraving and
> >> > > > > Printing.
> >> > > > > The CIA could have supplied AUTHENTIC Secret Service
credentials
> >> > > > > for a CIA operation.
>
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