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> schreef in bericht
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. B." <bern.boergeenreclame@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Fayed doesn't give up
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>>
>> "Sam" <sam_lothian@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schreef in bericht
>> news:WsmdnX90N8zW2NzVnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> [snip]
>>
>>
>> I too thought about a "RIP"message. This newsgroup was founded to
>> investigate the possibility that Princess Diana died as the result of a
>> conspiracy.
>
> Actually, since Neil founded it within hours of Diana's death, and
called
> the group 'alt.conspiracy.princess-diana' is indicative of there being
no
> intention to "investigate the possibility" ... it pretty well indicates
> he'd
> already made up his mind. As I think you (or someone) has said before,
> it's
> a concern to think that people of Neil's ilk might sit on a jury.
Of course he made his mind up before he sat down to type his creation
message, but to look "reasonable" he phrased the birthcertificate of "his"
newsgroup in this way. He was proud as a peacock when "his" newsgroup
received a good number of posts. He was angry that the press hardly ever
mentioned this ng. And when some journalist mentioned it, he or she got
the
name wrong. Neil sulked. The conspiracy theorists thought highly of this
ng
and they thought highly of themselves. The mainstream press ignored the
ng,
which means they were on to something. Neil instructed his chums how to
"analyse" press re****ts and, no surprise, it turned out that when one
looks
properly, one can detect hidden messages everywhere. According to the
conspiracy theorists the secret services (all of them) worked hard to
destroy this ng. Spooks were sitting behind computer screens and they
tried
to infiltrate the ng because it "was getting closer to truth." An
anonymous
poster, whose style looked very much like that of dear old Neil, stated
that
Geoff was a secret agent! This very idea lifted the conspiracy theorists
from ordinary people like you and me to truth seekers who were feared by
all
the secret services in the world. Kevin Warren wrote a long article about
another Diana conspiracy board, that was destroyed by bad spooks. (Thanks
for the repos.) Luckily the secret services didn't succeed this time,
otherwise you and I would have missed a lot of fun.Despite their enormous
analytical skills, the conspiracy theorists didn't understand that they
just
posted wild ideas, gossip and hilarious plots. ACPD was an electronic pub.
Neil and his ilk didn't need alcohol, the certainty that they had
unravelled
a highly complicated conspiracy just by telling other conspiracy theorists
that they had, was their drug.
Trevjon made the remark about juries. He was right.
[snip]
> Oh, the private emails..! I know I was fortunate that my ISP's newsfeed
at
> that time seemed unable to, or was slow to, respond to cancelled
messages.
> Neil had sent what he thought was an email to Geths, but in fact it
> appeared
> on the newsgroup. He obviously cancelled it as soon as he'd realised,
but
> I
> read it. And saved it. If he'd been as malicious toward me as he'd been
to
> you I'd have re-posted it. I did mention it a couple of times and it
> always
> made him back off.
Well, he deducted that you were a computer hacker, didn't he? Alright, you
talked about golf, but intelligent people (don't forget that Neil was, by
his own humble assertion, more intelligent than the average brain surgeon)
knew what was behind YOUR words. When one used this method to analyse
theorists's posts, they got mad, of course.
The conspiracy theorists wanted ALL information that they could get their
hands on. So, be a s****t, do what they did, and re-post the post. It was
in
the public domain, be it for a short time, so they cannot complain. They
wanted information about everybody who, according to them, was involved in
the "murders". So, why not all information about them in the open?
"Researcher" Reed wouldn't complain, because he posted may private emails.
Off topic private emails, sadly, but one shouldn't complain.
Neil malicious toward me? Naughty boy, Neil was very grateful toward me. I
gave him the op****tunity to show the world in his humble way, how
intelligent, caring and soft he is. He was grateful that I gave him plenty
of op****tunities to compare him with a low life like Bernhard B. Carrie
Carrison and David Jones agreed, need I say more?
> [snip] Not
>> one conspiracy theorist has had the guts to tell the NG "I was wrong".
>> Ron keeps theorising about the 13th pillar, but he (she) acts alone.
>
> No, I'd bet money we'll never hear from any of them again. Except poor
Ron
> and its amazing grasp of the laws of physics and, as you say, its
> obsession
> with the 13th pillar.
It says a lot about them, doesn't it?
[snip]
> Oh, he certainly mislead people. A very clever but evil man is our Neil
> Fernandez. Who can imagine what his son Aaron will turn out to be, given
> his
> home-schooling and indoctrination by a fanatic such as Neil? It is
> something
> which has always concerned me. I believe we will all hear the name Aaron
> Fernandez in years to come. Growing up with all that hatred ... all
those
> paranoid beliefs. Very sad.
I wouldn't use the word clever. When F & M struck England, he asked the
question whether "we" should believe the press on the issue. Far from
reality, he was. When he finally got the op****tunity to unravel a
conspiracy - the Jordan Sage Hoax - he failed completely. The idea that
some
student in Colorado poked fun at the ng, was alien to him. It was a far
more
subtle op because the Great Banana had been hoodwinked! When Boris Johnson
got sacked from the shadow cabinet because of an affair, Neil came up
with
the "real" reason. To back up his analysis, he pointed our attention
toward
the Boris Johnson Fan page, that is created by the SIS spy school, better
known as Durham University. The idea that many students don't spend their
entire time at University being pompous political motivated theorists with
a
scholar****p, must be a horror in bananacountry. The list is far longer and
will be a source of fun for banalogy students for centuries. No sense of
humour, how can you live?
On several occasions Neil tried to out-smart Trevjon in discussions about
technical matters. That wasn't very smart, because Trevjon knew what he
was
talking about and Neil didn't. Clever? Not really -:)
Neil has knowledge, no doubt, but it is bookish knowledge. He doesn't know
how to use this knowledge. He comes across like a sixteen year old
schoolboy
who has read a lot and who tries to be cleverer than his teacher. An
example. Neil never read Marx (he cannot read German), but he studied the
Marxist mantras with zeal. When I pointed out to him that, according to
Marx, one's economical position in society "creates" one's "being", he got
angry. He got even more angry when I explained to him that almost ALL
Marxists theorists, Marx himself included, are/were middle class people,
who
never ever had experienced the life of a "proletarian", he exploded.
According to Marxist "theology", the proletarian will destroy all other
cl*****. In short: these theorists are advocating their own destruction.(I
asked him how he, as "proletarian", was able to breed lamas. No answer,
not
even from the lamas.)
I share your concerns about Fernandez jr. If I remember correctly the
child
was the result of a little accident in the banana household. Neil called
Prince Charles a bad parent and that got me angry. Neil used his son as a
laboratory animal. He proclaimed that schools are terrible and boring
institutions. He didn't understand that this sweeping general statement
was
just an echo from his own school days. His solution, home schooling, has,
to
put it mildly, its problems. Going to school is for an im****tant part a
social experience. One learns how to interact. Poor Arren has been denied
this op****tunity. What really angers me is Neil's GSCE experiment. To show
what a fantastic "educator" he is, he hot housed his son and forced the
little boy to take an exam at an early age. After the boy passed the exam,
Neil, who shouted a lot to the ***** journos in acpd, paraded his son in
front of journalists. And, of course, he took the op****tunity to spew at
schools. Sad, very sad. Manhandling your child just because of your own
sad
schooldays. I asked him how much those ****** journos had paid him for the
photos and the interviews but I am still waiting for an answer. I don't
know
what happened to Arren, but I haven't read anything about him since. Maybe
Neil failed as an educator, maybe the boy threw in the towel, maybe he
developed into a totally different personality than his father.
>> Agreed, he was a figure of fun, but he was also malicious. Maybe he
found
>> finally a job.
>
> A job? Become part of the capitalist system? Be told what his duties
are,
> when he knows so much more than anyone else? I don't think so.
He has to pay bills. And he was soliciting for a "research job". Neil
reminded me of teachers in the seventies who were extremely left-wing. In
their own time they gave long sermons about "basis democracy", "autonomous
proletarian action", "revolution" and more theoretically based crap. In
the
classroom they were vindictive and extremely authoritarian. I liked the
conservative, tie wearing teachers who taught and how showed real interest
in what we did far better. So, maybe Neil leaves his funny ideas at home
when he goes to work.
>My guess is
> he is experiencing a family crisis of some sort.
Could be. I got the impression that Hilde Hambro earned the money while
Neil
indoctrinated their son and prepared for the revolution.
>Maybe his hatred has eaten
> away at him from the inside and he's ill. If it was just this group, I'd
> say
> he's just practising his usual 'silent mode', but he's been inactive on
> other groups too. People are missing Carrie, David Jones, etc.
You should change jobs then. Just become a psychiatrist and treat
Neil/Carrie/David/Joan etc. Neil is "anti psychiatry", so you will have a
lot of fun!
> Let's hope his boss will find out what utter ***** he has
>> produced.
>>
>> Good luck with the hacking!
>
> Thanks B.B.
>
> See you at the next MI5 get-together?
I thought it was MI6. Hmm, should pay more attention next time.
Bernhard
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