Re: Thumbs Up for Expelled

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:48:57 GMT, "Pink Freud"
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: "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:32:46 -0500, Slarmas <A@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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: >
: > : Not to be rude, but how can you watch a movie like expelled when the
: > : first five minutes are so bad that I was dreaming of watching MR
: > : Rodger's neighborhood re-runs on a black and white 2.5 inch and it
would
: > : have been an improvement.  The best that can be said of expelled is
that
: > : it is a brilliant expose on how not to make a do***entary.  One
: > : generally does research and gains knowledge first, then make the
: > : do***entary.  Jumping to a wild conclusion that a well educated
three
: > : year old could see through is not what I would call good.  The rest
of
: > : the movie (the parts I could suffer through) is replete with
propaganda,
: > : misdirection, lies, quote mining, begging the question, straw man
and
: > : just plain bad information.  I would proffer to suggest that
watching
: > : expelled and reading the bible would drastically improve any
intelligent
: > : persons chances of becoming an Atheist 1000 fold.
: > :
: > : Why is it that someone as intelligent as Stein almost literally
shoots
: > : himself in the foot with something so bad.  I can only guess that
his
: > : God module wasn't hooked into the region of the brain that controls
: > : reason and thusly a normally intelligent human was short circuited
into
: > : the realm of being profoundly retarded.
: > :
: > : I could bring up that if he was arguing he lost the argument by
Godwin's
: > : law where reductio ad Hitlerum could generally be said to cause one
to
: > : lose an argument by bringing Hitler into the argument.  If you can't
win
: > : an argument without referring to the Nazi's, you should quit while
your
: > : ahead (or at least not so far behind).
: > :
: > : I would put it another way.  Dawkins has several thousand peer
reviewed
: > : papers and tonnes (both figuratively and literally) of research to
: > : sup****t the Theory of Evolution gathered over the last 150 years. 
Since
: > : Darwin posited the theory it has been expounded upon, and grown with
the
: > : advent of new sciences like genetics none of which contradict the
theory
: > : in away that would cause it to fail.  All of Biology can be stitched
: > : together with the threads of evolution.
: > :
: > : Creationists still use the same tired two chapters of the Bible to
show
: > : two different "creation" myths, generally leaning more heavily on
the
: > : second one and calling all who don't believe this book ignorant,
: > : generally without reading anything about the Theory of Evolution. 
Half
: > : the believers I talk to think the Theory of Evolution describes how
life
: > : began, it does not.  Some like Ben Stein have said it doesn't
explain
: > : chemistry or the Big Bang which is one of the many cases where he
shoots
: > : himself in the foot.  It is much like saying the Theory of Gravity
: > : doesn't explain toast.
: > :
: > : I challenge anyone who believes in creationism (or ID, since it is
the
: > : same thing) to actually read and learn how science works.
: >
: > Many have.
: > Populations of bacteria "evolving" to become resistant to
: > antibiotics? Fact.
: > Populations of mosquitoes "evolving" over generations into
: > animals that are *still mosquitoes* but now might have a
: > different diet or other small changes? (called Speciation) Fact.
: > Populations of mosquitoes "evolving" over generations into
: > animals that are now clearly no longer mosquitoes at all (the
: > version of molecules to man evolution that they claim is also
: > true - that all life descended from a common ancestor)? A belief
: > that is not observable, not testable and not verifiable. When
: > they claim this belief is "established fact" or they claim it's
: > the same thing as bacteria evolving, that is when it becomes an
: > outright lie.
: >
: > And when you reject this blatant lie of molecules to man
: > "evolution", "evolution" of bacteria and mosquitoes (or
: > adaptation as it's also called) remains perfectly intact.
: >
: > I challenge anyone to show a single example of, for example,
: > populations of animals that are clearly not rats producing, over
: > generations, animals that are now clearly rats. (Or you can
: > replace rat with any animal alive).  The fact is such a thing is
: > not observable, is not testable, and is not verifiable; it's not
: > science, just a religious belief on the biological diversity of
: > all life, created by those who were rejecting God and seeking a
: > different way all of life got to where it is now.
: >
: >
: > : Learn why any
: > : intelligent person with scientific training cringes when you say
"It's
: > : just a theory."  Learn how the scientific method actually works. 
Learn
: > : how every scientifically minded Atheist here (please correct me if I
am
: > : wrong) would switch over to creationism and drop evolution if their
were
: > : actual evidence that is testable and reproducible, (Their isn't by
the
: > : way).  If you want to continue to argue please drop the straw men,
put
: > : away the Hitler ism's and make your case based on scientific
testable
: > : evidence.  If not please go do something more useful than trying to
: > : convince Atheists that your brand of fairies are any more laudable
or
: > : true than anyone else's.
: > :
: > : Cheers,
: > : Slarmas
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : -------- Original Message --------
: > :
: > : >> Towards the end of this Expelled movie Ben Stein put the atheist
guru
: > : >> Dawkins in his place and even got Dawkins to admit that there is
: > : >> Intelligent Design although Dawkins said it might be from ALIEN
: > : >> intelligence!  Which really showed how great a genius Dawkins is
and 
: > the
: > : >> many he has conned into buying his atheist books!
: > : >>
: > : >> Expelled shows well how Darwinian evolution is enslaving the
world, 
: > was a
: > : >> key factor in Hitler's trying to "improve" humans and has
brainwashed
: > : >> millions....
: > : >
: > : > Thanks for all the posts and not tooo much foulmouthed ranting but

: > then not
: > : > all the typical ranters such as Christopher A. Lee have posted.  
IF
: > : > possible maybe some of you will explain about your atheist hero 
: > Dawkins and
: > : > what he has said about intelligent design coming from  outer space

: > Aliens?
: > : > But people should at least watch the movie Expelled once before
they 
: > rant
: > : > or if possible, Intelligently respond to it...
: > : >
: 
: Hint: "Species" is a human concept. Genes don't really give a toss about
our 
: definitions.

"Rat" and "clearly not a rat" is an obvious concept, and one
where molecules to man evolutionists claim rats came from
populations of animals, over generations, that were clearly not
rats.

But the fact is, such a belief (of any animal) has never once
been observed in the entire recorded history of the human race,
such a belief is not testable, and such a belief is not
verifiable. It's not science; just a belief.

You're free to prove otherwise by showing such a case.

: 
: What you are saying is equivalent to: "I believe that time p***** in 
: seconds, but not in years."