Dick Eastman answers misrepresentations of Mr. Abraham H. Foxman, National
Director of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith
Richard P. ("Dick") Eastman answers statements of Mr. Abraham H. Foxman,
National Director of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, which
statements Eastman believes are misrepresentations of findings that in
fact
are are purely evidence driven, evidence yielding conclusive refutation
of
the government-and-mass-media-promoted account of a Boeing 757, AA Flight
77 which represents that plane as cra****ng into the west wall the Pentagon
on the morning of September 11, 2001. It is in the unshakable findings
derived from the close examination of all available evidence that certain
refutation of those reprepresentations are found and that, by direct
implication, conclusions of a Zionist rather than an Arab provenance of
the
mass-murder attacks is found.
Mr. Foxman in his remarks in the ADL you will find below, neither
acknowledges the existence of the evidence itself, nor the conclusions
about
the attack, nor the further implication of the involvement of the powerful
group behind the scenes at the pentagon which included Wolfowitz, Perle,
Rumsfeld, Feith, Kissinger, and other Zionist Jews, eith the exception of
Newt Gingrich who has ever described himself as "a Rockefeller man."
Nevertheless, the implication of that group by the Pentagon crash
findings,
itself implies a "neoconservative," a Zionist and an Anglo-American
merchant banking involvement in the planning and execution of the entire
mass-murder crime of Sept. 11, 01 -- a conclusion corroborated by, among
many other things, examination of the questions, "who really gains" and
"who really loses."
Remember, from the first hoursPentagon who from the first moments from the
very first hours following the crash, Mr. Kissinger, Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr.
Rumsfeld were putting out the story of the "crashed jetliner" that they
knew had to be false and claimed to know that Arabs were responsible at
the
same time they claimed that the attack was totally unexpected. [Note:
The
very first accounts in the media re****ted a truck bomb going off in front
of the Pentagon and a jetliner crash at the 14th-street bridge [this
bridge
half way between the crash site and Reagan National air****t a mile away as
the crow flies and a little further for a plane overflying the crash
from
the direction the Boeing appraoched and making the required curve for a
successful approach] so that it was the Pentagon itself that first stated
that an airliner had crashed! -- yet none of the witnesses outside the
building have ever taken credit for letting the Pentagon know what it was
--
no description of how the Pentagon officially came to know of the nature
of
the attack has been told -- so how did Rumsfeld know what had happened
even
after getting outside?-- Surely the firemen and rescue people didn't know
what had happened and surely he, the Secretatry of Defense would not ask
witnesses, like Steve Riskus, who happened to be driving by what they
saw? -- but this is a digression, just one more of the "2+2's" that are
always clicking once the truth is discovered -- and so back to Mr.
Foxman.
The world-wide spreading of the conclusion that 911 was a false-flag
black-op that Mr. Foxman decries, was neither, as he misrepresents it, the
spontaneous generation of baseless 'rumor' nor a sinister "blood libel"
born of the hatred burning in congenital "skinheads." What really is
behing this rash of minds suddenly clicking is the conclusive disproof of
the official story of the Pentagon attack -- is hard video and
photogarphic
evidence that implicates Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the coterie of Neo-con
Zionists that excusively make up the inner circle at the Pentagon ust as
surely as if all major networks had filmed these men shooting all those
victims in the head with pistols. And this proof, -- by still further
implication -- also catches the yet-more powerful persons who put these
hireling deception specialists in control of this dead republic's policy
and governance.
And so with this introduction let us proceed to examination in detail of
what Abraham Foxman, through the Anti-Defamation league, is saying about
"911 conspiracy theories."
Here is the the ADL article ptresenting Mr. Foxman's position. I
recommend reading it through before tackling my line-by-line response
which
follows it.
Richard P. Eastman M.S., M.A.
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scroll down to get to line-by-line analysis
What Mr. Foxman is contending:
ADL re****t: Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (.pdf -
1.2MB
requires Acrobat Reader )
New York, NY, September 2, 2003: Two years after the horrific 9/11
attacks
on America, hateful conspiracy theories claiming the attacks were
actually
carried about by Israelis and Jews continue to gather force around the
world, causing dangerous new mutations of global anti-Semitism.
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), concerned at how such rumors continue
to
find acceptance despite two years of intensive efforts by watchdog groups
and democratic governments to combat them, today issued a re****t
coinciding
with the second anniversary of the attacks, do***enting the continuing
spread of 9/11 conspiracy theories and the potential for this "Big Lie"
to
rationalize and fuel global anti-Semitism.
According to the League's re****t, Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy
Theories, the canard of Jewish or Israeli involvement in 9/11 has gained
widespread acceptance in the Arab and Muslim world, parts of Europe and
even
in the United States.
"The 9/11 attacks have fueled an entire new genre of anti-Semitic
conspiracy
theories leading to an environment where rumors about Jews are finding
acceptance in the mainstream," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National
Director. "As we gather to commemorate the second anniversary of the
9/11
attacks, the Big Lie shows no signs of dimini****ng. In fact, it is
finding
new acceptance every day. That is not just disturbing, but tragic,
because
we cannot win the war against terrorism without first winning over the
hearts and minds of people in the Arab World who accept anti-Semitic 9/11
conspiracies as fact. What's really needed is a concerted effort by
democratic nations to reject anti-Jewish conspiracies."
Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories do***ents how anti-
Semitic
conspiracy theories about the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon spread around the world with lightening speed, ushered along
with
the help of global electronic communications, especially the Internet and
satellite television.
According to ADL, the rumors, while finding expression in the media,
speeches and in public statements, have also brought together a disparate
group of Jew-haters who are using the Big Lie to fuel anti- Semitism.
"Never in the history of the Jewish people has one terrible lie about
'Jewish control' spread so quickly and with such power, captivating not
only those on the extreme fringe but the educated elite, particularly in
the Muslim and Arab word," said Mr. Foxman. "The Big Lie has been
repeated
by imams, the press and government officials in the Arab world, and is
contributing to disturbing and dangerous mutations in global
anti-Semitism."
The League's re****t do***ents the spread of the Big Lie from the first
whisperings of blame against Jews in the immediate aftermath of the
attacks, to more recent manifestations and permutations. Among the ADL's
conclusions:
The Big Lie has united American far-right extremists and white
supremacists and elements within the Arab and Muslim world that are
exchanging and repeating information, ideas and conspiracy theories.
The 9/11 conspiracy theories are essentially updated versions of
classical
anti-Semitic canards, claming that Jews are inherently evil and intent on
manipulating and controlling world events to their own benefit. It is
essentially a modern manifestation of the anti- Semitic, "Protocols of the
Elders of Zion," the infamous 19th century Russian forgery that pur****ted
to map out a Jewish conspiracy for world domination.
September 11 conspiracies have spawned an entire industry that includes
anti-Semitic books, pamphlets, videotapes, Web sites and speakers.
9/11 conspiracies have laid the foundation for the proliferation of
similar
conspiracy theories about other global disasters. For example, some
conspiracy theorists claim Israel was complicit in the destruction of
Space
Shuttle Columbia and suggest that shuttle astronaut Col. Ilan Ramon was
actually a "spy" for Israel. Others blame Jews and Israelis for
"pu****ng"
the U.S. into war against Saddam Hussein.
The accusation that Jews plotted the attacks has fueled more traditional
canards about Jews, including those claiming that Jews have a "master
plan"
for world domination, and that Jews use the blood of non-Jews to make
holiday breads and pastries (blood libel).
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry
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Richard P. Eastman (RPE) replies to the above statements of Mr. Abraham H.
Foxman (AHF):
AHF: Two years after the horrific 9/11 attacks on America, hateful
conspiracy theories claiming the attacks were actually carried about by
Israelis and Jews continue to gather force around the world, causing
dangerous new mutations of global anti-Semitism.
RPE: Theories, of whatever kind, cannot, of themselves, be hateful. It
is
the men who present the theories who may or may not be motivated by a
personal experience that also generates emotional responding often
characterized as hatred. But of course, if an "ax to grind" is the real
motivation behind promulgation of "a theory," then it wouldn't really a
theory at all, would it? -- rather it would be a slander, a concocted
story
that is not really an honest attempt to interpret events, but an effort to
"get" someone.
The question then becomes, are data-based interpretations and explanations
circulating around the world, or merely propagandistic slanders? --
honest
attempts to reconstruct events from the known facts or "Jew-hater"
counter-intelligence propaganda.
I have presented hard 911 evidence (mostly photograph, maps, official
civil
engineer re****ts and actual physical specs of planes and buildings etc.)
and have drawn from those conclusions that point inescapably to a group of
men in the Pentagon who share a Zionist intellectual orientation, an
"Israel-first" foreign policy stance, and personal ties to the great
merchant banking families of Wall Street and London (e.g., Kissinger and
Gingrich to the Rockefellers; Perle to the Rothschilds etc.. Rumsfeld,
Wolfowtiz etc.); and that that tie them to each other and no one else
(others were excluded from their defense policy meetings etc.) -- so that
if
a Boeing 757 did not crash at the Pentagon and each of them immediately
were
spreading the story that one had, that if follows they must together have
been involved in the planning of the false-flag inside-job mass-murder
frame-up for which they were primed and ready to play their roles.
AHF: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), concerned at how such rumors
continue to find acceptance despite two years of intensive efforts by
watchdog groups and democratic governments to combat them, today issued a
re****t coinciding with the second anniversary of the attacks, do***enting
the continuing spread of 9/11 conspiracy theories and the potential for
this "Big Lie" to rationalize and fuel global anti-Semitism.
RPE: There are indeed rumors about 911 and many of them perhaps
originating
and spreading through the efforts of people who are implacably suspicous
and
accusing of Jews in general -- if I may inject that st*****ype villain of
anti-anti-Semiticism -- , never actually having met anyone that I though
capapble of such harmful-to-everyone calumny -- outside of perhaps a dozen
I
have run across on the internet.
But is what "watchdog groups" have done to "combat" rumors also the same
thing that "watchdog groups" are daily doing to people honestly examining
only the universally established evidence (i.e., all available photos
taken
by various witnesses, all known accounts by on-the-scene witness,
subsequent
interviews with those witnesses, vacinity maps, engineering data on
aircraft, structural re****ts by civil engineers on the damage to the
building, and known properties of the materials involved, combined with
the
physics of the event -- because the fact is that never has any watchdog
group ever undertaken to take the findings of this kind of researcher and
answer them in a scientific way. Rather the "watchdogs" have lurked on
the
internet and then intervened with the most vulgar attacks on people
bringing
their compiled evidence to the internet for discussion. How many times
were
honest men who had hunted out the facts and made honest attempts to
interpret them honestly subjected to ADL-allied "watchdogs" who crowded
out
out the inquirer and investigator alike with "freeping," with obscene name
calling, misrepresentation, and insincere off-the-wall and junk-science
pseudo-answers -- in short with "COINTELPRO" -- which is all that these
watchdogs really know, all that they really do. [Do you think Mr. Foxman
ever really went through the Pentagon evidence I present below, which has
been circulating for over a year and some of it since March of 2002. (Not
talking about the French "where's the Boeing", which merely introduced the
problem with tiny clues, some of them not very compelling (such as laying
sand on the grass after the attack etc.)
In short, neither the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith nor the many
watchdogs (who may or may not be ADL-sup****ted or guided) have shown any
concern that 911 was never investigated as a crime. This is amazing,
since
they claim the attacks were surprise attacks. Yet within a few hours
after
the attack, Mr. Kissinger and Mr. Wolfowitz had knowledge which they
accepted that the case was solved and that, photos of the "actual
hijackers"
were being circulated, effectively tamping down the public's natural
desire
for an investigation -- that and Mr. Bush's promise that there would be a
thorough investigation to find everyone behind the attacks (which he later
opposed, then, when forced to accept some kind of investigation, tried to
appoint Kissinger to head the commission etc..) Yet, today it is well
known
that most of the hijackers named are people still alive and not at all
connected with the attacks. That there is no known link between 911 and
the
so-called al Qa-eda.
Notice too that Mr. Foxman nowhere mentions or allows in his analysis of
suspicion of Jews regarding 911, the Israeli Mossad agents caught who
photographing the collapse of the towers, and actually laughing and
jumping
with glee as they did so, men, one of whom, when later interviewed on
Israeli radio, stated that the group had gone to New York "to photograph
the
event." [Why did he feel relaxed enough to admit that on Israeli radio?]
Nor is there acknowledgement or interest by Mr. Foxman, that that 97
Israeli nationals were working illegally both at Dulles International,
where
Flight 77 originated, and at Reagan National, one mile from the
Pentagon,where, as evidence, presented below, establishes that the Boeing
757 that overflew the Pentagon at the moment of the crash of the actual
killer jet shortly afterwards either landed at Reagan or regained higher
altitude pretending to be a plane that had come in too short and had to
make another approach etc. Remember, we have heard from some air-traffic
controlers at Dulles (who say the plane behaved like a jet fighter) but
none
from the much nearer Reagan tower.
At any rate, each of these Israelis also had, illegally, top security
p*****
that gave them access to all parts of the air****t, ticketing, security,
baggage, the towers, take off and landing! And why did Attorney General
Ashcroft simply de****t these people a few months later, under such highly
suspicious cir***stance -- why were not these foreign agents operating so
close to the Pentagon at the time of the attack and before and several
days
after, given equal treatment to that accorded to Moslems in sending the
latter to Guantanamo Bay torture gulag run by the Pentagon defacto
outside
US Constitutional law. There motives for suspicion are not recognized
by
Mr. Foxman, not taken into account in explaining the origin of the
convincing of so many people which he decries. According to Mr. Foxman,
everything is just rumor born of hate.
But is Mr. Foxman being just in leveling this accusation at those who
have
concluded from evidence that Zionist and Israelis were involved in 911.
AHF: According to the League's re****t, Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11
Conspiracy Theories, the canard of Jewish or Israeli involvement in 9/11
has gained widespread acceptance in the Arab and Muslim world, parts of
Europe and even in the United States.
RPE: A "canard" has gained acceptance, Mr. Foxman says. Now by calling
them a canard he must mean that conclusions of Jewish or Israeli
involvement are either "unfounded" or that somehow Foxman knows for
certain
they are untrue -- I assume he is not burdening his argument with
merely
an asserted statement of faith in what he believes all fellow Jews are
either capable or incapapble of doing. His entire argument can't be that
vacuous - so we must assume he has evaluated the claims at some point and
found them to be false? But does he provide any clue that he has really
done that? Rather, does he not go out of his way to avoid all specifics,
all content of these "rumors" and "canards."
So first we have a "rumor" and now we have a "canard," but what about the
people whose conclusions were entirely formed by the overwhelming body of
hard evidence? Why does Mr. Foxman not even discuss the possibility that
non-bigoted, non-racist, non-anti-Jewish people could have merely
followed
the evidence to derive their conclusions of Arab innocence and Zionist
guilt?
Is, in fact, anyone really saying, "I know Jews did it because I hate
them?" -- or thinking: "I know Jews are innocent, but I will make up the
accusation that they did 911 because I hate them and want to "blood libel"
them?"
At this point let me tell you that the evidence I have compliled has been
seen in Europe and the Middle East and it has done all the convincing --
all I have ever had to do is point out what is in the photos and present
the
most revealing photos together to convince any intelligent and impartial
person who takes the time to see what the photos show by simple direct
inspection.
AHF: "The 9/11 attacks have fueled an entire new genre of anti-Semitic
conspiracy theories leading to an environment where rumors about Jews are
finding acceptance in the mainstream," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL
National
Director. "As we gather to commemorate the second anniversary of the
9/11
attacks, the Big Lie shows no signs of dimini****ng. In fact, it is
finding
new acceptance every day. That is not just disturbing, but tragic,
because
we cannot win the war against terrorism without first winning over the
hearts and minds of people in the Arab World who accept anti-Semitic 9/11
conspiracies as fact. What's really needed is a concerted effort by
democratic nations to reject anti-Jewish conspiracies."
RPE: You speak of a "genre" of conspiracy theories, as though 911
investigating were a branch of literature or art. As I said above, you
are
either talking about propaganda and slander or you are talking about
attempts to find an explanation that explains the crime. Certainly 911
was
a crime. It was a crime that needs to be solved. It was a crime that the
government has never investigated as an unsolved crime. The commission
was
not commissioned to investigate the crime -- in fact it was specifically
ordered not to ascribe blame to anyone for the way the attack went.
Woflowtiz, Kissinger and the rest of the Pentagon and US intelligence
just
all of a sudden knew what happened and knew who "pulled the trigger" and
who
was the great evil mastermind behind it (hidden in Afganistan etc.) And
they just knew that all that was left to do was to kick down all the Arab
dominoes -- to go in with American soldiers and kill kill kill wherever
Woflowitz and Rumsfeld pointed. Remember?
Crimes are solved by detective work. And detective work involves
collecting
all the known facts and finding the interpretation that reconciles all of
the facts and that stands up to every test.
When an interpretation ends in contradiction with known fact it is
efuted - the "theory" is discarded. This is how nonobvious crimes are
solved. And this is how the genuine investigators of 911 have proceeded.
Look at the book by David K. Griffen for a survey of the solid detective
work that has refuted the official story so completely.
Look at the findings of scientists like A.K. Dewdney, eleven years an
editor
of Scientific American, or Jerry Longspaugh, an engineer, or Ralph Omholt,
a
Boeing 757 pilot of many years, as well as people of normal intelligence
who
have just persisted in examining all available evidence until the
possibilities have been narrowed down to a set of possibilities that alone
fit the data and which data forces us to exclude any possibility of any
kind of two-engine jetliner cra****ng as the Pentagon leader****p claims
Flight 77 crashed..
And so now you have evolved your quarry from "rumor," to "canard" to "Big
Lie" -- without ever once acknowledging that most people who believe the
Pentagon's Jewish and Zionist leader****p are complicit do so because they
were forced to that conclusion by facts they could reconcile by no other
explanation. The pictures taken by the wintesses and the security camera
pictures released by the Pentagon simply left them no alternative but to
conclude that the story told by the Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz Pentagon has been a
lie from the very first.
You talk about the rumor-canard-Big Lie gaining acceptance every day, yet
you offer no explanation of why this would be. Whereas you neglect the
hard
evidence that people are working hard to make known to the world and which
the "watchdogs" are using very devious means to keeping from being widely
seen. The "watchdogs" are working to suppress, not theories, but
evidence,
evidence that speaks for itself, yielding conclusions that simply can't be
swept under the carpet -- unless one wants to misrepresent them as merely
rumor, canard or Big Lie.
You are concerned with winning over the hearts and minds of the Arab
world -- but your remedy is to suppress information from honest people of
good will who are attempting share the evidence they believe on its own
identifies those truly culpable -- the Wolfowitz group and all who are
behind them.
You do not admit the possibility that the evidence points to Jews, you do
not admit even the possiblity that someone could make an honest mistake
for
thinking that it does. It is a Big Lie born of Anti-Semiticism that can
only be fought by "watchdogs" doing CO-INTEL_PRO
(counter-intelligence-propaganda) never allowing themselves to really
evaluate the evidence and come to an a conclusion the steps towards which
they can share with the rest of us -- rather it is always the conclusion
that the investigators is a "loon," a "Whacko," a "F___wit," a Nazi, a
"notorious anti-Semite, a liberal, a leftist, a paranoid, a hate-clouded
this or that.
But after all that is what the job of the ADL is -- to sell rich Jews the
service of finding and neutralizing and otherwise "getting" the
blood-thirsty "anti-Semite" boogeyman -- and you need irrational
boogeymen
to make your money. Anti-anti-Semiticsm is a racket -- and you know how
to
work a sucker, be she Barbara Striesand or Mortimer Zuckerman etc., right?
AHF: Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories do***ents how anti-
Semitic conspiracy theories about the attacks on the World Trade Center
and
the Pentagon spread around the world with lightening speed, ushered along
with the help of global electronic communications, especially the Internet
and satellite television.
RPE: This is impossible. For information to spread it has to have
something
that makes it credible. People are not fools. Seeing is believing, and
the
evidence proving that the Boeing did not crash into the Pentagon exists
and
is compelling to even the sceptical intelligence.
And so you have not addressed the data, you have merely told how the
conclusion has spread while misrepresenting the strength of the case
against
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc. as merely false rumor planted by Jew
haters.
Can you not see that the evidence has uncovered the Big Lie of the
"boxcutter" story -- we have found that the Arabs have been framed?
Your very failure to treat the strength of the case against the Pentagon
Zionists honestly is itself a datum that weighs on the side of a Jewish
conspiracy -- or more precisley a Zionist conspiracy involving powerful
Jews
and come Gentiles (Newt Gingrich was part of the Wolfowitz group headed by
Perle that also included Wolfowitz, Feith, Kissinger and other Zionist
Jews.
AHF: According to ADL, the rumors, while finding expression in the media,
speeches and in public statements, have also brought together a disparate
group of Jew-haters who are using the Big Lie to fuel anti- Semitism.
RPE: Suppose the Saint Valentines massacre in the 1920's was found to
have
been the work of Al Capone -- would that not certainly have added to
anti-Italian sentiment in the country? (I am half-Sicilian, btw) -- yet
how should society take it if the Italians hired a League of cointelpro
experts to intimidate people into ignoring the evidence pointing to
apone --accusing all those who pointed out how the evidence pointed to
Capone of being "Anti-Italian", of spreading rumors, of "resorting to the
old 'anti-Italian' canard -- thus launching an entire new "genre"
anti-Italian sentiment, and so forth? That would be neither reasonable,
fair, nor healthy, would it?
AHF: "Never in the history of the Jewish people has one terrible lie
about
'Jewish control' spread so quickly and with such power, captivating not
only those on the extreme fringe but the educated elite, particularly in
the Muslim and Arab word," said Mr. Foxman. "The Big Lie has been
repeated
by imams, the press and government officials in the Arab world, and is
contributing to disturbing and dangerous mutations in global
anti-Semitism."
RPE: So how come no one from your organization has called together a band
of experts to hear the evidence that is winning all these converts? Many
Jews have attacked me personally, have gotten me thrown off lists for
sup****ting the "Big Lie" -- but none has ever taken up my always-standing
offer to go over the evidence bit by bit -- the evidence I invite you to
go
over at the bottom of this page -- a few key pictures that flately
contradict the "boxcutter" conspiracy explanation.
You see, I am not a "conspiracy theorist," I am a debunker of black-op
false-flag frame-ups.
AHF: The League's re****t do***ents the spread of the Big Lie from the
first whisperings of blame against Jews in the immediate aftermath of the
attacks, to more recent manifestations and permutations.
RPE: I remember writing to a woman named Cohen on the newsgroups who was
blaming Saddam back in late September 2001. I said that I did not see how
the anarchists, the anti-globalists, or one or another of the world's
mafias, or even Mossad could have been involved. Immediately Ms. Cohen
labled me anti-Semitic and unfit to be posting to the thread etc.
Yet I did not come to the conclusion of Pentagon complicity until the
minute
I saw the security camera video pictures in early March of 2002 -- and
the
man who produced the enlargement, David Bosankoe, had been arguing the
official story against me -- we were both conviced by the data. Bosankoe
even posted his exact steps in enlarging the photo and invited others to
replicate his findings if they could and to use other enlarging software
to
validate the finding -- but of course this was not even necessary,
because
once the features of the picture were pointed out, one did not need an
enlargement to see them plainly -- one can disprove the black-op fiction
simply by pointing to what is in pictures as they appeared in Time or
Newsweek.
But there are 14 seperate conclusive proofs that the Pentagon attack was a
surgical strike against people in certain Pentagon offices on the first
floor of the the wedge that was struck. Here is that evidence. Just the
top three or four evidence presentations will be sufficient to convince
any
impartial jury anywhere in the world -- see for yourself:
Proof of 9-11 frame-up -- the Pentagon 911 evidence:
http://www.bedoper.com/eastman
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911crimefile/message/8
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagonconspiracy/message/71
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911crimefile/message/3
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/507
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/m18h05.html
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68c.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/38
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
http://www.911-strike.com/pentagon-all.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagonconspiracy/message/78
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages/1
AHF: Among the ADL's conclusions:
The Big Lie has united American far-right extremists and white
supremacists
and elements within the Arab and Muslim world that are exchanging and
repeating information, ideas and conspiracy theories.
RPE: Here is the assumption that the conclusion is a lie, that it is a
rumor. But would not the Big Discovery of the Truth also bring these
groups
to unite behind it also?
I notice that you seem opposed to Arabs and American's of the right
"exchanging and repeating information" -- are you opposed to these people
having information per se? Don't you think they might better discover the
truth if information flows freely -- that they would see their mistake
--
that the people who want the truth would be able to ask the questions that
would knock down any tower of lies - that exchanging information would
bring
light -- especially if Jews of good will, armed with the true facts, would
join these discussions and impassionately, as scientists and objective
writers, explode any falsehoods one by one?
Don't you think any Arabs or "patriot" or "populist" types really want the
truth too? Do you assume that all they can take in and believe is false
rumor, canard and lies that are really big?
AHF: The 9/11 conspiracy theories are essentially updated versions of
classical anti-Semitic canards, claming that Jews are inherently evil and
intent on manipulating and controlling world events to their own benefit.
It is essentially a modern manifestation of the anti- Semitic, "Protocols
of
the Elders of Zion," the infamous 19th century Russian forgery that
pur****ted to map out a Jewish conspiracy for world domination.
RPE: While people who have somehow learned to be untrusting of Jews and
to
blame them for this an that for whatever reason, definitely will latch on
to
news about the discovery that 911 was a US-British-Israeli-organized-crime
black-op and pass it around as confirmation of all they have suspected
(true or false) -- nevertheless if it was really Zionists (US, British,
Israeli) and organized white-collar criminals responsible for 911 rather
than the Mohammed Omar government in Afganistan or Saddam Heussein's
government in Iraq -- is that not something people have the right to find
out and tell others about? To discuss and weight the evidence and come to
their own conclusions?
I do not know whether the protocols of zion are real or not -- I leave it
an open question and I believe everyone else would be better off if they
did
the same. But I do know from the evidence that 911 was planned by men in
the Pentagon -- the group led by Richard Perle in the office of the
Assistant Secretary of Defense --a group of neo-con Zionist's -- who had
to
have been involved in the standdown that made the 911 attack on the
Pentagon
and the South Tower (at least) possible -- that had to have participated
in
the black-op insofar as they have sup****ted from the first the fiction
that
Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
The real question is that if Arabs and American patriots, populists,
liberals, scientists, pilots, engineers, men, women from all walks of life
are being convinced by these photos -- people who would never think that
Jews could be responsible -- people who accept what their eyes and the
photos tell them so plainly without even thinking of whom this discovery
might implicate etc. -- THEN WHY AREN'T
YOU EITHER BEING CONVINCED OR ELSE
GOING OVER THIS EVIDENCE STEP-BY-STEP
TO SHOW ME AND EVERYONE THE FACT
WE SOMEHOW MISSED -- THE FACT WHICH
CANCELS ALL OF THE FINDINGS -- THAT
SHOWS US THE BOEING UNMISTAKABLY
IN THE SECURITY CAM PHOTO, ETC.,
THAT EXPLAINS WHY THERE IS NO HOLE
WHERE A STARBOARD ENGINE WOULD HAVE
TO HAVE HIT THE WALL, THAT EXPLAINS
HOW A WITNESS COULD HAVE SEEN THE PLANE
PASS FROM WEST TO EAST AND DO SO TO THE
NORTH OF HIM (SO HE SAW THE STARBOARD
WINDOWS) WHEREAS THE FIRST POLE THAT
WAS KNOCKED DOWN BY THE KILLER JET
WAS SOUTH OF HIM , TOO FAR SOUTH FOR
THE WINGS OF THE BOEING THAT WAS SEEN
TO HAVE REACHED (and all the other proofs
discussed on the pages linked above).
Rather you assign "watchdogs" to heckle
and abuse the citizen -- and use the power and
influence of the Jewish and Israeli lobbies to
pass laws to silence the investigators and keep
them from access to too many of the public --
whereas Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilley, Laura,
and the rest -- give the misleading message that
you are giving, of the true nature of the conclusions
that people are accepting around the world.
AHF: September 11 conspiracies have spawned an entire industry that
includes anti-Semitic books, pamphlets, videotapes, Web sites and
speakers.
RPE: Not true at all. Michael Moore has accused the Saudis of
perpetrating
911. Jared Israel, Mike Rivero, Mike Ruppert, etc. Joe Vialls, John
Judge,
Kyle Hence, Carol Brouillet -- all of the leading investigators who have
the
greatest exposure -- are as persistent as you in pretending that the
Pentagon evidence (see URLs, above) does not exist.
But what are you calling an "anti-Semitic" book? Do you mean by that
term,
any book that concludes that the Pentagon crash evidence points to
Pentagon
leader****p complicity? Do you mean any book that presents the "canard"
that
the photos prove the Boeing did not crash? The rumor that the government
has failed to convince in the face of counter evidence? The 'Big Lie'
that
a Boeing 757 can't be in two places, headed in two different directions at
the same time -- being seen by dozens of people directly over the Annex
while at the same time knocking down a lamppost and hitting the west wall
of
the Pentagon at an angle that would have been impossible for an airliner
that was over the Annex. etc. etc. etc. (see links above.)
On a personal level -- where do I fit in in your scheme. I liar? A
rumor
monger? An anti-Semite? All because I saw the photo evidence and
verified
what the photos show -- that a Boeing crash simply does not fit the
evidence???
Nowhere do you ever make reference to any TEST of the
"the-Zionists-did-it"
finding -- no where does any ADL member or watchdog -- take the evidence
complied above and attempt to explain each item in some plausible way that
does away with the not-the-Boeing conclusion?
Because no-Boeing, implies Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz-Feith-Perle-Kissinger
involvement, and their involvement, by virture of their community of
backers
and affiliates implicates Zionists, not Arabs -- its that simple.
And whether people burned on Jews take that fact of Zionist complicity and
run with it to the nearest skinhead convention is besides the point to
every
man of good will -- the fact is that this group of Zionists are guilty,
and
the Arabs that were blamed in a frame-up are not.
AHF: 9/11 conspiracies have laid the foundation for the proliferation of
similar conspiracy theories about other global disasters. For example,
some conspiracy theorists claim Israel was complicit in the destruction
of
Space Shuttle Columbia and suggest that shuttle astronaut Col. Ilan Ramon
was actually a "spy" for Israel. Others blame Jews and Israelis for
"pu****ng" the U.S. into war against Saddam Hussein.
RPE: Most people who are making accusations about Jews in the Pentagon
and
White House pusing the U.S. into war against President Hussein of Iraq
probably have not yet heard of the evidence that exists implciating the
Pentagon Zionists in the perpetration of 911.
However, I do happen to believe -- and I wrote about it before 911 --
that
Bernard Baruch influencing events related to World War ONe, the Great
Depression, World War Two, and the Cold War -- all for profit of the
financial interests he represented and himself embodied. It's true and
do***ented -- and if you pay my way I will present the whole story to
B'nai
B'rith at any time, so you all will know the truth. Who knows, it might
change your minds about the existence of "Anti-Semiticism" and open your
eyes to real criminal elements operating on really horrendous global
cale -- the basis of truth in what you have been wrongly interpreting as
irrational paranoia and bigotry.
AHF: The accusation that Jews plotted the attacks has fueled more
traditional canards about Jews, including those claiming that Jews have a
"master plan" for world domination, and that Jews use the blood of
non-Jews
to make holiday breads and pastries (blood libel).
RPE: The evidence establi****ng that 911 was masterminded by Jewish
Zionists -- is enough in itself -- you can put all the theories away --
911 and the wars on innocent Afganistan and Iraq with deceived American
forces is fully sinister and horrible enough -- proving some old
"canard"
even the Protocols of Zion" would be anti-climactic.
The only thing worse for the reputation of Jews than this discovery --
would
be for the world to see Jews not enraged by the deed and not as anxious as
anyone else to see that Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest be
brought to justice ASAP.
Yes, the worst thing possible, the thing that would unfortunately confirm
so
many more people that Jewry was more deeply involved in the act and the
cover-up than just the planners and perpetrators -- would be to see Jews
taking the position that you are taking -- that watchdogs and new laws
against internet information must block all discussion of this evidence
and
what it means.
AHF: The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading
organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that
counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry
RPE: I'll go further than that. The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai
B'rith
was founded in 1913, as machinery for beating back the truth about the
role
of the Rothschilds, Morgan, Baruch, Warburg and other merchant banking
interests in the creation of -- in that same year -- the Federal Reserve
System, the income tax, the direct election of Senators (instead of having
them selected by the state legislatures as the Founding Fathers felt so
im****tant in keeping the the foreign treaty making body far from buyable
election. It was the year that Wilson took office -- the man who led this
nation into World War One -- and made Baruch the most powerful economic
Tsar
this country has ever seen etc. The Anti_Defamation League protects
Jewish
organized crime -- and its weapon is the very ideals of the people turned
against them -- whatever the monstrous economic or political crime (like
Pearl Harbor, like the give-away of China to the Reds, like the Lusitania,
like the cold war, like the profitable Korean War, like the murder of
Kennedy, like the assassination attempt on Reagan, like 911 (the list
could
easily be expanded, and each element defended) -- whatever the
Machiavellian
crime -- the defense will always be to claim religious persecution, to
claim
hatred of the poor Jews, etc. Which is probably the worst curse that ever
has or ever will befallen the vast majority of Jews around the world --
because of the evil of a few, and the hirelings who do their bidding and
serve in their Leagues protecting them from justice for their crimes
against
every people of the globe.
Any time you want to set up a conference of scholars to review the
Pentagon
evidence presented above -- the sooner men like you and I can become
united
for the truth -- for good people of whatever background to be free of
organized crime and the arbitrary murderous practices of the super rich.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Wa****ngton
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