"Dan Clore" <clore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Comm wrote:
>> "Dan Clore" <clore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:5puvv6FsslfoU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <473A3436.9050209@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>> Dan Clore <clore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> "Tho-ag in Zhi-gyu slept seven Khorlo. Zodmanas
>>>>> zhiba. All Nyug bosom. Konch-hog not; Thyan-Kam
>>>>> not; Lha-Chohan not; Tenbrel Chugnyi not;
>>>>> Dharmakaya ceased; Tgenchang not become; Barnang
>>>>> and Ssa in Ngovonyidj; alone Tho-og Yinsin in
>>>>> night of Sun-chan and Yong-grub (Parinishpanna),
>>>>> &c., &c.,"
>>>>> -- The Book of Dzyan.
>
>>>> Hey, Dan: Just curious. Is this a real book, or is it something
>>>> in Lovecraft, or is it your own work? Interesting syntax...
>
>>> The quotation is from H.P. Blavatsky's _The Secret Doctrine_.
>>
>> Yeah, but that's not some secret language - I think she called it
>> Sensar?. It's Tibetan! She lied. It's very interesting that English
>> words are stuck inbetween the Tibetan - that tells me that whoever said
>> that to her, didn't speak Tibetan fluently!
>
> I think you've misunderstood. In context, Blavatsky states that "were
one
> to translate into English, using only the substantives and technical
terms
> in one of the Tibetan and Senzar versions, Verse 1 would read as
> follows:--" [the quotation as given above] "which would sound like pure
> _Abracadabra_."
>
> This is how she translates the same passage (the formatting is screwed
up;
> most of this should be in small-caps:
>
> 1. THE ETERNAL PARENT WRAPPED IN HER EVER INVISIBLE ROBES HAD SLUMBERED
> ONCE AGAIN FOR SEVEN ETERNITIES.
OK, but that's not what the creation of cosmos actually says at all. Dan,
I
have it up on my site, listed as "Darkness is One" - but yeah, I added a
paragraph to it, my own invention I mean - I think that's included in the
one I have online. I made a song out of this in the 60s. It's on the
Cthulhu CD we sell, too - and on that version I know the verse I wrote is
in
there.
>
> 2. TIME WAS NOT, FOR IT LAY ASLEEP IN THE INFINITE BOSOM OF DURATION.
Yeah, that's OK. But the part about the 7 is all bs.
>
> 3. UNIVERSAL MIND WAS NOT, FOR THERE WERE NO AH-HI TO CONTAIN IT.
>
> 4. THE SEVEN WAYS TO BLISS WERE NOT. THE GREAT CAUSES OF MISERY WERE
NOT,
> FOR THERE WAS NO ONE TO PRODUCE AND GET ENSNARED BY THEM.
Again, someone, her or another, stuck in that whole "misery" and
"ensnared"
concept - which has a very negative connotation.
>
> 5. DARKNESS ALONE FILLED THE BOUNDLESS ALL, FOR FATHER, MOTHER AND SON
> WERE ONCE MORE ONE, AND THE SON HAD NOT AWAKENED YET FOR THE NEW WHEEL,
> AND HIS PILGRIMAGE THEREON.
OK - yes, darkness alone filled the boundless all - and the rest is pure
bs.
father, mother son, blah. No such thing.
>
> 6. THE SEVEN SUBLIME LORDS AND THE SEVEN TRUTHS HAD CEASED TO BE, AND
THE
> UNIVERSE, THE SON OF NECESSITY, WAS IMMERSED IN PARANISHPANNA, TO BE
> OUTBREATHED BY THAT WHICH IS AND YET IS NOT. NAUGHT WAS.
Again - all messed up. 5 arupa (formless) formers. 7 rupa (formed)
forms.
No lords. There are Five Dhamras (truths). FIVE. Five is ubiquitous in
the east. Five Dhamas always, 5 Dhyanni Buddhas depicted by them -
manifestations of the One.
>
> *****
>
> I don't wish to get into a debate about Blavatsky, but I will note that
> Bob Price seems to accept K. Paul Johnson's work establi****ng her
sources.
I don't know K Paul Johnson's work - please explain? The thing is, Dan,
what she is saying, either she made that up or (which I really doubt)
someone told her really wrong - what she is making of all of this,
especially with the 7 business for the truths (dharmas) is TOTALLY wrong.
I
can't think of anyone over there that would get into the father mother son
thing - that's not eastern at all - it's Egyptian and sort of Christian.
I
can't think of anyone that would NOT know that there are 5 truths
(dharmas).
Not 7. The last I heard from Bob, he was accepting what Lin Carter said
about her - and I have no idea what HIS sources were. Anyone from any
Tibetan or Lamamist community - or even ask me since I speak English and
know connotations regarding words better - could tell Bob that what she
wrote is NOT legit. It's not Tbetan, not ANY other form of Lamaist,
either.
I think even a KID in old commuity would be able to catch that mistake
with
the number of dharmas, even if they weren't interested in the philosophy
at
all (as most aren't these days).
>
> --
> Dan Clore
>
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