On 22 Apr 2007 14:09:36 -0700, tepesh wrote:
> On Apr 22, 9:56 am, Siobhan <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> It is acceptable during the promotion period.
>>
>> Having a website (or mailing list or whatever) prior to the event
>> to measure interest, gather interested people to help put the bid
>> together or get info about what people might like to see in a bid
>> - all fine. None of those things are promotional activities. Many
>> committees have done that, and I have often encouraged and even
>> assisted them.
>>
>> Having a fully-fleshed out bid and using it to generate new voters
>> for the event is going beyond the limits of acceptable.
>>
>> Siobhan
>
>
> Please show me where the "promotion period" is described. Please cite
> the rule that states that having an offsite bid proposal up before the
> submission period is against the rules.
>
> Thus far, the only rules that seem to apply to this are:
>
>>From the 'Convergence 14 Vote Timeline Update'
>
>>Starting on April 14 2007, you must cross post your proposal to
>>alt.gothic, alt.gothic.fa****on and >alt.gothic.convergence during the
>>proposal nomination period.
>
> This only states that you must post on those forums during the
> nomination period, it does not state you must not announce your bid
> prior to that date.
>
>> Proposal web sites MUST be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions.
>
> This does not state you are not allowed to have other announcements
> or copies of your bid on other sites. They have a site hosted on
> altgothic.com, thus they are in compliance.
>
>>From the 'FAQ' under "Convergence voting: More info" on the
>
> altgothic.com website:
>
>>After receipt of submission they may post their Bid Proposals to the
>>alt.gothic.* news groups, and open their web sites to the public.
>
> Note that since the website MUST be hosted on altgothic.com, they
> didn't violate any rule about opening their website to the public
> before they'd submitted.
>
>> Posting to regional mailing lists, weblogs and other mediums is
>> acceptable but not essential.
>
> This doesn't state anything regarding when you can post to other
> sources/venues.
*unofficial*
Look dude, the rules have been established and essentially abided by
for about seven years, with no one ever thinking that these were even
unclear. At the bottom of nearly all of the posts has been an email
address of where questions could be sent. Absent questions, the rules
and precedent are obviously clear. Now, two commitees decide that those
rules and precedents obviously don't apply to them and it never even
occurs to them to ask? No, the simple answer is that they didn't *want*
to be noticed by the steering commitee. They didn't *want* to ask and
be told "No, you can't." They specifically chose spaces they *knew* the
steering commitee didn't frequent. They didn't "pre-announce" or "gather
opinion" on the afterglow mailing list, they didn't do it here, they
didn't do it on the two big LJ communities, they didn't do it on Tribe.
They *hid*, because they EXPECTED that it would be considered against
the rules, but thought that they'd have something to gain by doing it.
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4. Shooting is not too good for my enemies.
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