On Apr 25, 9:04 am, gtros...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On Apr 22, 3:30 pm, "Peter H. Coffin" <hell...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
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> > On 22 Apr 2007 14:09:36 -0700, tepesh wrote:
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> > > On Apr 22, 9:56 am, Siobhan <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > >> It is acceptable during the promotion period.
>
> > >> Having a website (or mailing list or whatever) prior to the event
> > >> to measure interest, gather interested people to help put the bid
> > >> together or get info about what people might like to see in a bid
> > >> - all fine. None of those things are promotional activities. Many
> > >> committees have done that, and I have often encouraged and even
> > >> assisted them.
>
> > >> Having a fully-fleshed out bid and using it to generate new voters
> > >> for the event is going beyond the limits of acceptable.
>
> > >> Siobhan
>
> > > Please show me where the "promotion period" is described. Please
cite
> > > the rule that states that having an offsite bid proposal up before
the
> > > submission period is against the rules.
>
> > > Thus far, the only rules that seem to apply to this are:
>
> > >>From the 'Convergence 14 Vote Timeline Update'
>
> > >>Starting on April 14 2007, you must cross post your proposal to
> > >>alt.gothic, alt.gothic.fa****on and >alt.gothic.convergence during
the
> > >>proposal nomination period.
>
> > > This only states that you must post on those forums during the
> > > nomination period, it does not state you must not announce your bid
> > > prior to that date.
>
> > >> Proposal web sites MUST be hosted on altgothic.com. No exceptions.
>
> > > This does not state you are not allowed to have other announcements
> > > or copies of your bid on other sites. They have a site hosted on
> > > altgothic.com, thus they are in compliance.
>
> > >>From the 'FAQ' under "Convergence voting: More info" on the
>
> > > altgothic.com website:
>
> > >>After receipt of submission they may post their Bid Proposals to the
> > >>alt.gothic.* news groups, and open their web sites to the public.
>
> > > Note that since the website MUST be hosted on altgothic.com, they
> > > didn't violate any rule about opening their website to the public
> > > before they'd submitted.
>
> > >> Posting to regional mailing lists, weblogs and other mediums is
> > >> acceptable but not essential.
>
> > > This doesn't state anything regarding when you can post to other
> > > sources/venues.
>
> > *unofficial*
>
> > Look dude, the rules have been established and essentially abided by
> > for about seven years, with no one ever thinking that these were even
> > unclear. At the bottom of nearly all of the posts has been an email
> > address of where questions could be sent. Absent questions, the rules
> > and precedent are obviously clear. Now, two commitees decide that
those
> > rules and precedents obviously don't apply to them and it never even
> > occurs to them to ask? No, the simple answer is that they didn't
*want*
> > to be noticed by the steering commitee. They didn't *want* to ask and
> > be told "No, you can't." They specifically chose spaces they *knew*
the
> > steering commitee didn't frequent. They didn't "pre-announce" or
"gather
> > opinion" on the afterglow mailing list, they didn't do it here, they
> > didn't do it on the two big LJ communities, they didn't do it on
Tribe.
> > They *hid*, because they EXPECTED that it would be considered against
> > the rules, but thought that they'd have something to gain by doing it.
>
> > --
> > 4. Shooting is not too good for my enemies.
> > --Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> That's an assumption. Did you ask either committee if *hiding* was
> their intention?
>
> I could just as easily assume that Dallas and Hollywood were over-
> enthusiastic about forulating their bids and used MySpace as a tool to
> get people involved in helping to formulate said bids.
>
> If a committee is going to take the time to bother creating a bid by
> speaking with hotels and entertainment venues, it only makes sense
> they would want to *win* the bid, thus Hollywood's "register to vote"
> blog on MySpace. Nefarious ulterior motives? Highly doubtful.
Here's another assumption....
Beating a dead horse ain't going to result in that horse getting up
to give you a ride.
....but hey, good luck with that!
Cheers!
Jett Black - NocturnalMovements.net
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