"alt.gothic OG" <agsf_57@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Vicky =^,,^= cat" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Still, I do want to fit in, at least a bit. Especially for the
> > kids. I don't want them to be, say, brushed aside because 'their mum
looks
> > weird'. I don't want other parents to tell their kids 'no, don't
invite
> > Tegwyn over to play, her mum is in a weird cult' or stuff like that.
>
>
> This is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post. Giving
> your child a chance to be a part of the norm of society. I agree, you
> should tone it down a few notches. You have a responsibility to your
> child to provide them with a normal childhood. When your child is old
> enough to comprehend society and values, then you can tell them who
> you are and let them decide if they want to follow your path.
>
I very much am providing my girls with a normal, very happy in fact,
childhood, thank you. I don't care whether they'll choose to be goth or
not
when they grow up. They can do whatever they want with their looks, it's
their choice. Same for me, as much as possible.
> Here is my previous post on a similiar thread:
> My opinion is that as a parent, you have a moral responsibility to
> raise your children in a healthy environment that fits within the
> limits of the norm of your society. Since the "gothic" scene doesn't
> fit the norm of a modern civilization, such as USA or England, it is
> wrong to expose your young influential children to this subculture.
Why? it's just another subculture. Like the, say, Rastafarian one. Or
Jewish, or any other. How about arranged marriages within the Indian
communities in the West? They don't necessarily 'fit within the limits of
the norm of my society'. Yet they exist as part of a 'culture within
another
culture' (subculture)
>
> This is also true for parents who are into drugs, deviant ***ual acts
> and perversions (such as cross dressing, swinging, permissive *** with
> strangers, same *** marriages, *****, etc.)
Yes, absolutely. But you're saying it in a way that seems to link all that
filth you list with goth. Hopefully it's just me reading it the wrong way.
> As a parent, you are an instructor of the proper conduct and behavior
> for your child. Your way of life contributes to the personality and
> mental health of your child.
Indeed. And I am a loving, doting, attentive wife and mother if I may say
so
myself. I've happily sacrificed my own life (work, going out, spending
money
on myself, socializing) in favour of a family life where sometimes my
work,
as 99% of housewives would say, goes unappreciated. And you know what? I
love it. Seeing my girls growing and progressing as happily and healthily
as
they do fills me with joy.
Most of us became part of the gothic
> subculture due to our parents irresponsibilty (such as divorce,
> *****ural relation****ps, mental or physical abuse, multiple father or
> mother figuires, etc.).
Bollocks! (Whoa, pardon my French). Most of us? What on earth are you
talking about! Yes I do come from a single parent 'family' (using the term
loosely) and my mum was a possessive, authoritative cow with me, but I
didn't start dressing in black and lace because of that. I may appear
simple
here, but I just *like* that style. It feels comfortable, it feels 'me'.
Adidas and Gucci don't; Camden Town style does. As simple as that. You may
say that teenagers from troubled backgrounds start choosing provocative
and
subversive clothing styles as a scream for help and attention; but when
you're talking to a 31 y.o. woman, I think, if it was just a 'phase', that
it would have terminated at least 6 years ago. I've met loads of Goths
(the
majority in fact) from average families. Walk into any counselling place
or
Soc. Security office and see how many Goths you can spot. Hardly any, I
bet.
xx Victoria
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