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> Jack wrote:
> >
> > ::shrug::
> >
> > It was an announcment. Announcments are *specifically* forbidden in
> the
> > a.g.p FAQ/FUQ, regardless of what they're for or who posts them.
> >
> > It's a camel's nose thing. Alt.gothic was flooded with crap from
> every
> > luser who had a "goth" night in Luserville, Ohio, every band of
> pretty much
> > any sort that was playing anywhere at all, any idiot who'd just
> dicovered
> > Crow make-up and MM and who wanted us to see his "gothique", spinning
> > skulled, NIN MIDI infested, dripping blood bar laden website, etc.,
> in what
> > was generally a discussion group.
> >
> > If you let one announcment in, even if it's for a band that "Everyone
> here
> > knows and likes," (Which was tried some years back.) or even for a
> project
> > run by "one of us", then you eventually wind up with the group
> flooded with
> > more announcments than posts.
>
> I understand your point and I'm sure you know where I stand on this
> whole FAQ issue.
Of course.
>My philosophy is that a goth is a goth, whether it's
> the old school version (from the days of Batcave or earlier) or the new
> version (MM, crow, Switchblade, etc. to now). I don't think it's right
> to shun people who are contributing to the subculture.
It's not shunning. Really.
> It wasn't like
> Giger was selling a get rich scheme. Who knows, if Giger found this
> place welcoming, he/she would become a regular and post offtopic posts
> that no one cares to attack. ;)
A few years ago, we came down on a fairly well known goth band that had
been
starting to post show announcments here. It's not the content of the
announcment it's the announcment itself. A.g.p is a discussion only
group,
announcments belong elsewhere. I still see the value of maintaining
distinctions between various groups and what is and isn't encouraged on
them, and in doing something active in order to maintain those
distinctions.
I know that you probably won't agree with me and that, but... ::shrug::
>
> By the way, I was impressed by the polite factor. Impress me more by
> not replying in the future to such posts.
The clueless newbies no longer flow in like a flood at high-tide, so it's
generally worth an attempt to be polite. However I think that
announcments
should be discouraged, and there's still a concensus that sup****ts that,
and
I still think that concensus (And not universal concensus, or majority
rule.) is the best way to run a newsgroup.
I suspect that you don't feel that a newsgroup should be "run" in *any*
sense of that word, but my own feeling is that a newsgroup *requires* a
degree of social cohesiveness in order to persist, and that shared a
shared
set of norms, and a coming together to enforce those norms is the most
effective way to do this. (And to elaborate something I mentioned above,
I
feel that concensus is probably the least coercive effective way of
enforcing those norms [1] that I've seen.) I've seen too may groups die
over
the years when they lost that cohesion for me to feel otherwise.
Anyway, alt.gothic.pretentions is the place where the last of the
hardcore,
flame spraying dinosaurs of alt.gothic came to get away from fluffy-bunny
sentiment and set up a free fire zone for incendiary attacks and napalm
airdrops with the "pretentions" part serving as a warning that the group
was
in fact filled with pretentious, clique-ish, mean, petty, name-calling,
no-life assholes who were unapologetic about being so, and that anyone who
poked their heads in had better have their their asbestos undies on or
suffer the concequences, so any "Why can't we all get along?" comments or
complaints are thus not apropriate to this group. ;)
<snip>
> > -Jack-
> > "Death. It's not just for breakfast anymore."
> Of course not, Denny's serves it 24 hours a day.
I think that your mistaking "Rat-Part Burgers" for "Death" there, an easy
mistake to make.
[1] If you grant that such norms are necessary, which I do and you
probably
don't.
--
-Jack-
"Hey mister, there's a fly on the ceiling."
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