Re: Weekly posting summary

"Troia" <troia.legata@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> whisky-dave wrote:
>> "Troia" <troia.legata@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> whisky-dave wrote:
>>>> "H Duffy" <hester_duffy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> Erm, not universally, by any means; while I'm not a professor in the

>>>>> UK or US sense, I mark students' assignments,a nd they get marked
down 
>>>>> if their references consist of a list of URLs.
>>>> I'm not sure what they do here but I wouldthink that method is bad 
>>>> practice
>>>> and open to abuse, a buy or 'obtain' my book or I'll mark you down 
>>>> isn;t
>>>> soemthing I would likoe to see.
>>> No, that isn't what it implies;  it's a matter of actually going to
the 
>>> library and properly researching.
>>
>> Do you really have to go to a library to do that ?
>> I've got some old books at home on the planets, things were believed 
>> about Mars
>> 30 years ago that have since been disproved, such as how they formed.
>> I'm sure sigmund wrote somethingn about having *** with your mother or
>> somethign doesn;'t make it true just because it has appear in a book.
>
> Would you give a student a good grade on a paper that made complete
sense 
> but was based on sources all <x> years old that had since been
disproven?

I'd grade pupils on the work they did, not who or what the copied.

>
> For that matter, would you give a student a good grade on a paper about,

> say, evolution or the formation of the earth, who based their writing & 
> conclusions on the Bible and other similar sources?
Depends what I was after.
I would not give a studetn good marks for just copying the Bible because 
it's authoritive.
Whether or not they quoted it from an on-line source or from the college 
library .
If thery could find the origi****l scripts and translate them CORRECTLY in
to
english then I'd give them very good marks.


>
> And don't academics generally look for sources that have been vetted in 
> one way or another,
Most academics recommend their favourite books, some recommend their
own or of colleagues. In each of our course there's is a list of
recommended 
books.

>which is generally impossible on the internet except for the sites which 
>represent print publications and contain similarly-vetted articles?
That would obviously depend on subject matter.
But if I wanted to find the speed of a bullet I could find many sources,
but I'd expect the student to understand that the speed of a bullet while
it 
is a common reference speed (as is the speed of sound)  that the speed 
depends on many things.
But perhaps if I was their academic in charge of their course I would 
recommend my
book and I'd expect them to cite my book as a reference.


>> with death for beign a heathen or justy discagreeing with your boss.
>>
>>
> Do you consider getting a C or D on a paper to be comparable to being 
> "threatened with death"?

Career wise Yes. Getting a D isn;t good for going on to further education.

> Or did we move out of the realm of academic research here at some point
I 
> missed?
well surley that depends on what you see as academic research.
There certainly were no such things as other planets external to our solar

system
30 years ago. And now today we've even lost on of our own.
But that's under review.


> And as for the newspaper re****ter(s) who cited something read on the 
> internet and made a lead story of it without proper checking ... he 
> certainly is properly threatened with "termination" as a result.

Yep, I'd agree but proper checking isn;t always done if it doesn't suit
certain people otherwise why else would children get ***ually abused at a
children's home in Jersey year after year after year.

But as we know ot will always depend ion the subject matter as to how 
im****tant
a cite or where it is. A friend that does media studies didn't have to buy

the films on
DVD, film Blu-ray of HD, all he had to do is watch them if he needed to
cite
appearances of actors he could use the online movie website.
Soemthing I should re-check is I satrted writting a webpage about star
trek
I got an email from the brother of the actor that played the first captain

of the
enterprise saying I got his brothers death date wrong. This I got from an 
actual BOOK.
An offical book listing actors and actresses in the star trek series.
I check on-line and some 'fan boy' withy their own personal home built
site 
had the
date of his death correct. Just because it's in a published book doesn't 
make it correct.
Think of all the dinosaur books that had brontosauruses as carnivorous in 
the 1960s.

Not all that glitters is gold especially when you're names Gary. :)