Re: Weekly posting summary

"H Duffy" <hester_duffy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "H Duffy" <hester_duffy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> You'd be quite wrong; it's common practice, and not in any way wrong. 
>>> That's what Universities have libraries for, y'see.
>> They also have cafeterias, prisons have libraries too,   so what,
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> So students are not in any way compelled to buy the books they need; 
> therefore, your theory that it is bad practice to insist on them using 
> actual books, because it means buying things, is clearly faulty. We make

> them read books, and we provide, free of charge, the books they need to 
> read.
The college PAYS for the books out of it's grant paid for by tax payers.
I know a few years ago the books brought by our library for our students 
cost £8,000.
Local libraies ahve to buy bokos too, or didn't you know that.

>>> a buy or 'obtain' my book or I'll mark you down isn;t
>>>> soemthing I would likoe to see.
>>>
>>> We don't insist they _buy_ the books, just that they read them.
>> And how will they read them if the don't buy them ?
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> Read this slowly, Dave; it's a very very complicated theory, and one 
> you've probably never come across before, certainly not in this post.
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> They
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> Get
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> Them
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> From
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> The
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> Library.

Yes and I supose the library picks them off the local apple trees does it.
When I started my electronics course at college we were told what books
would be good to read. I had to buy them they were NOT available at the 
library well the college library had THREE copies for a around 100
students.
And thast was just a one day a week course, with it run on 3 other days
and thatwas just at the one college this course was run in many colleges.
Leyton library my nearest  hadn't any as they only sup****ted local 
schools/colleges .

> Do you know what a library is, Dave? It's a place where there are lots
of 
> books, and people can go and read them, or borrow them to read them at 
> home, without actually buying them.

Do you realise that NOT every library in the country stocks multiple
copies 
of ever
book published in fact they tend to stock very few.


> Do you need an explanation of what a book is too?
It is a book of words that an individual writes and that is all it is.
It may make you feel better about yourself, it may not, it won't make you
more intelligent just because you own it, or borrow or steal it.


>>> And we give them access to a library, so they can find books,and read 
>>> them, free of cost.
>> we have classses of 100 or more how many books would they library have
to
>> buy from the publishers, and whaty if the book should only be availible

>> in
>> hard back at £80 a copy ?
>
> They don't necessarily all need to read the _same_ book; quite often,
the 
> information they need is provided in lots of different books.

And several on-line places too may well have the same information,
why can't that be used. ?


>> I've known our library to be short enough of fund not to be able to buy

>> enough
>> books for our courses and that's in plain paperback form.
>>
>> Why shouldn't students have the right to reference on-line publications
?
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> If they're proper, peer-reviewed publications, they can do so. On the 
> other hand, if they're being lazy and just looking up a bunch of web
sites 
> which haven't been peer-reviewed, they're probably getting inaccurate 
> informat8ion, so that's not useful for them, and therefore, they're not 
> allowed to do that.

Yes they are or should be allowed to, but ultimatly it's about facts and
the 
truth,
not whether or not it has been peer-reviewed.
When a friend of mine did his degree on aspects of the Spanish civil war
he didn't concentrate on peer-reviewed re****ts that had been doctored
over the years by anyone, he didn;t just listen to the offical news, he
went 
to a
reunion of old soldiers in London when he met up with a few old soldiers
few are still alive most are in their 90s talking to someone that fired 
shots was shot at,
was captured and escaped, he touched him he dranks with him.
While writing he's re****t on what it was like during those years the 
recollections of this
persons and other serving was far more useful and insightful than any 
official
  military re****t of the time, he was also told that no one was really 
interested in sking theos ethat actually faught during the time when the 
offical military records were written.

Later in the year he trod the same route he did across Spain during the
war 
to get
an idea.
You are obsessed with peer-reviewed as you're not capable of thinking for 
yourself but must have a selection of heroes to choose from before you can

begin to think.
Research should be original not just photocopies of previous work done on 
the subject.