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Re: New Blake's Seven

by Panurge <panurge@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Endymion <disintegration@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> On May 15, 3:27 pm, Joe Brenner From: <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Jennie Kermode <"Jennie Kermode"@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> >
> 
> > I think the Orwell novel "1984" did an excellent job of holding
> > back this particular tide.  For many years, "that sounds like
> > something out of '1984'" was an effective argument.
> >
> > I guess the question would be why it *stopped* being an
> > effective argument.
> 
> Through overuse, the same way comparing one's opponent to Hitler
> stopped being an effective argument. If every trivial thing is called
> Orwellian, people start to think of his work as trivial.
> 
> Secondarily, because the techniques and technologies Orwell described
> (the way one pushes the buttons, as opposed to the buttons that are
> pushed) are increasingly dated. 

True.  But Orwell's work is a kind of satire, after all, and one 
shouldn't have to reserve the term "Orwellian" only to acts as extreme 
as those depicted in *1984*--or, more precisely, one should be able to 
apply the lessons that book teaches to less extreme acts, like, say, 
*what's happening at Gitmo*.

> ...do you mean people
> stopped worrying about the political leader****p because they came to
> see it as irrelevant next to market forces? I can't think of anyone
> who's suggested that.

What--didn't you hear??  Government isn't the solution--government is 
the problem!!

> Inability or unwillingness to take things seriously 
> is often a reaction to people who take themselves *too* seriously.  

Well, what's the worse transgession, then?  

Point is, the people *to whom the argument stopped being effective* 
don't seem to be Snarky Gen-X Types, but rather Reaganite Republicans 
and less-"involved" fellow travelers.

-- 
"He who wishes to go beyond it must die."
--Arnold Schoenberg, on Gustav Mahler's Ninth Symphony

FWIW:  www.myspace.com/PanurgeATL
 




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New Blake's Seven
Rob <dbright@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-06 09:52:30 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Jennie Kermode <"  2008-05-06 10:45:24 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Elder <carl.robson@[EM  2008-05-06 21:11:39 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Rob <dbright@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-07 00:09:16 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Panurge <panurge@[EMAI  2008-05-07 23:54:22 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Jennie Kermode <"  2008-05-08 09:47:25 
Re: New Blake's Seven
"whisky-dave" &  2008-05-08 13:43:42 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Joe Brenner From: <doo  2008-05-15 19:27:08 
Re: New Blake's Seven
constantine@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-15 23:13:59 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Jennie Kermode <"  2008-05-08 09:42:49 
Re: New Blake's Seven
huey.callison@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-06 19:46:26 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Jennie Kermode <"  2008-05-08 09:48:37 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Joe Brenner From: <doo  2008-05-15 19:29:31 
Re: New Blake's Seven
oonh <other@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-09 00:44:57 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Lostat <gordon.w@[EMAI  2008-05-09 04:24:50 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Endymion <disintegrati  2008-05-15 16:29:56 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Panurge <panurge@[EMAI  2008-05-18 23:34:56 
Re: New Blake's Seven
w0rl0ck <w0rl0ck@[EMAI  2008-05-19 01:10:16 
Re: New Blake's Seven
The Bavarian Fascineti &l  2008-05-19 09:11:23 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Panurge <panurge@[EMAI  2008-05-21 22:26:52 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Joe Brenner From: <doo  2008-05-25 02:06:00 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Elder <carl.robson@[EM  2008-05-25 15:24:14 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Panurge <panurge@[EMAI  2008-06-14 21:11:25 
Re: New Blake's Seven
The Bavarian Fascineti &l  2008-06-03 14:47:42 
Re: New Blake's Seven
A Post-Fascinet Reconstru  2008-06-16 07:34:11 
Re: New Blake's Seven
"Girl <last name&  2008-05-06 19:35:30 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Joe Brenner From: <doo  2008-05-15 19:32:45 
Re: New Blake's Seven
mister_thing@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-16 07:45:27 
Re: New Blake's Seven
The Bavarian Fascineti &l  2008-05-16 11:45:34 
Re: New Blake's Seven
"marika" <ma  2008-05-23 22:30:20 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Joseph Brenner <doom@[  2008-07-07 19:00:54 
Re: New Blake's Seven
constantine@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-08 18:27:22 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Joseph Brenner <doom@[  2008-07-07 19:23:49 
Re: New Blake's Seven
Matthew King <making@[  2008-07-08 05:52:28 

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