Re: same *** marriage petition (Canada) .

"Marvin Edwards" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Gene Douglas" <genedoug@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > ...  A woman can probably manage the mechanical aspects of being
raped,
> but a man needs a little more motivation to follow through. <
>
> First, just to be clear, we're not discussing rape.  Second, Bishop
Robinson
> has two daughters, so clearly some, if not most, gay men can follow
through.
> That leaves the question of whether the straight man can follow through.
I
> submit that the one thing that prevents this is the sense of
"wrongness",
> and that this sense is taught by the culture. The attraction is innate,
but
> the aversion is learned.

So once the aversions are learned, and a person is 20 years old, that's
where you begin.  And if a gay has as much aversion to *** with a woman as
I
would have to *** with a man, you would be condemning him to a life of
misery by telling him how you insist he must live his life.

Where lesbians are concerned, somebody has already posted that a woman
might
marry a repulsive man for money, and manage the act, while failing to
otherwise participate fully.
>
> >  And if you have problems imagining yourself punking a guy, then
consider
> that gays may have as much problem in the other direction. <
>
> But clearly gays do not have the same problem. If they did then Bishop
> Robinson would not be a father! The reason they don't is because the
> aversion is learned from culture. The culture favors hetero***ual
behavior
> but suppresses homo***ual behavior. So most old fogeys like you and me
have
> an aversion to homo***ual behavior, which we imagine is due to our being
> hetero***uals. But it isn't. We've programmed that aversion into
ourselves
> to fit within society's expectations.
>
I'd imagine there is a mix.  And even if Bishop Robinson was somewhat
bi***ual, and could become aroused to a fencepost at age 20, that still is
not a reason to command him to have *** with women, especially at age 50.
Unless one is a Catholic, of course, and insists that you can't do it at
all
unless you're trying to make a baby.

> > And yet, some stranger, who doesn't even have dealings with them,
would
> want to tell them they have to, anyway? <
>
> I'm not aware of anyone in this discussion telling anyone that they have
to
> do anything.
>
Good.  I hope that also includes no one telling them they can't do
anything.
>