Re: same *** marriage petition (Canada) .

"Marvin Edwards" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Melanie" <chovhani@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > If it's beyond their control, yes. But "good" IS a judgement. <
>
> Yes. It is a matter of moral judgement. But so is the suggestion that
moral
> judgements are to be avoided. That too is a judgement. :-)
>
> > With the world's population as it is we should be grateful that not
> everyone raises a family. <
>
> Amen. But I believe the U. S. and other industrialized nations no longer
> have population problems, and are actually a little behind in
replacement
> births. I think it was attributed to equal op****tunities for women. Our
> population increase is due instead to immigration.
>
> > It isn't at the top of everyone's list, even when they have free
choice.
> However, a homo***ual couple can make excellent parents ... <
>
> Absolutely.
>
> >  ... it would be equally tragic if if a homo***ual ends up believing
they
> are hetero***ual, when in fact they are not.  because either way they
are
> not enjoying knowing their authentic self, and that is the saddest thing
I
> can think of. <
>
> I agree that self-knowledge is very im****tant. But I don't agree that
the
> only correct response to a homo***ual orientation is to abstain from
normal
> mating.

Who decided what is normal mating?

A person seeks to form a normal family for the satisfactions it
> brings to life.

The person does this seeking himself, right?  By his own choice and
volition, right?

It brings companion****p, love, children, and grandchildren,
> etc. I believe it is possible for a homo***ual to love someone of the
> opposite ***, even if they do not "fall in love" with them. And I
believe
> that love, rather than "falling in love", is the true basis for any long
> term relation****p.

Even if the person personally has a different preference?
>
> > Therefore what is of paramount im****tantce is the freedom for everyone
to
> know who they are without repression or being told they are deluded. <
>
> We both agree that there should be no delusions. There should be
> self-knowledge. There should be informed choices.

And once the person has self knowledge and informed choices, and decides
he
wants to live a homo***ual life, we should make that difficult for him?

The commitment to love
> someone should be a conscious decision, each person knowing the other,
and
> not a matter where they are swept up in an ocean of hormones, with tides
> that rise and fall, and often break on foreign shores.
>
Those hormones are generally what get things started.