Re: same *** marriage petition (Canada) .

Marvin Edwards wrote:

> "Gene Douglas" <genedoug@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:PqqCb.5358$n06.369@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
>>...  A woman can probably manage the mechanical aspects of being raped,
> 
> but a man needs a little more motivation to follow through. <
> 
> First, just to be clear, we're not discussing rape.  Second, Bishop
Robinson
> has two daughters, so clearly some, if not most, gay men can follow
through.

Perhaps they can.  And perhaps Bishop Robinson only had *** with his 
wife on 2 occasions.  And perhaps he was fantasizing that he was with a 
man.  Do you know for a fact that his *** life with his wife was 
satisfactory for both of them?  Being physically capable of fathering a 
child is not the same as having a completely satisfactory relation****p 
with your partner.  And is totally irrelevant to the original discussion 
which was about signing a Gay marriage petition in Canada.

> That leaves the question of whether the straight man can follow through.
I
> submit that the one thing that prevents this is the sense of
"wrongness",
> and that this sense is taught by the culture. The attraction is innate,
but
> the aversion is learned.

Then why do you want to encode that aversion into a law for everybody? 
Isn't it better to teach truth?  Isn't it better to allow the innate 
attractions to be accepted?

> 
>> And if you have problems imagining yourself punking a guy, then
consider
> 
> that gays may have as much problem in the other direction. <
> 
> But clearly gays do not have the same problem.

You, a hetero***ual, consider yourself a spokesman for all Gays?  I am a 
Gay man and I would not presume to be a spokesman for the entire Gay and 
Lesbian community.

> If they did then Bishop
> Robinson would not be a father!

And if he was satisfied in the relation****p with his wife he would not 
have gotten a divorce and found a male partner.

> The reason they don't is because the
> aversion is learned from culture. The culture favors hetero***ual
behavior
> but suppresses homo***ual behavior. So most old fogeys like you and me
have
> an aversion to homo***ual behavior, which we imagine is due to our being
> hetero***uals. But it isn't. We've programmed that aversion into
ourselves
> to fit within society's expectations.

You say all that and yet you want to CONTINUE to teach that aversion?

> 
>>And yet, some stranger, who doesn't even have dealings with them, would
> 
> want to tell them they have to, anyway? <
> 
> I'm not aware of anyone in this discussion telling anyone that they have
to
> do anything.

Other than on this newsgroup you are a stranger to me and I would guess 
that you are a stranger to most people in the BGILT community and you 
are saying we should not be allowed to marry our life partners.  Those 
who are working for a constitutional amendment to achieve that end are 
also strangers to me and I would guess also to most people in the BGILT 
community.
> 
> 

-- 
~)<  Love & Peace  Ed B.


"The consecration of Gene Robinson as bishop of the New Hamp****re 
Diocese of the Episcopal Church is an affront to Christians everywhere. 
I am just thankful that the church's founder, Henry VIII, and his wife 
Catherine of Aragon, and his wife Anne Boleyn, and his wife Jane 
Seymour, and his wife Anne of Cleves, and his wife Katherine Howard, and 
his wife Catherine Parr are no longer here to suffer through this 
assault on traditional Christian marriage." 	-Paul Emmons West Chester 
University