Re: same *** marriage petition (Canada) .

"Ed B." <lavdad2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:1071693898.86842@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A marriage license gives mixed *** couples over 1500 different
privileges
not allowed for single people or same *** couples.  Yes, we can draw up
1500
different do***ents and obtain those privileges. <

The privileges based upon mating would not be included in a domestic
partner****p. The one privilege that comes to mind is the ability to annul
a
marriage that is not consumated. But every other privilege, which I
presume
are derived from the social and economic interdependency of the partners,
would apply to a domestic partner****p.

> Yes, when they are contested we can go to court.  We may win.  We may
not.
It depends on how homophobic the judge is. <

The Supreme Court does not appear to be very homophobic. And any ruling by
a
lower court that is based in prejudice is likely to be overturned on
appeal.
All of the laws forbidding two men or two women from making love as they
see
fit are now gone. [brief pause for the "Hallelujah!s" and "Amen!s" to die
down]

> And even if we win it may be too late.  What if we want ot visit our
critically ill partner and the doctor will not allow it because we are not
a
spouse or a blood relative?  We go to court, we finally win.  But our
partner has already died.  Who do we visit? <

I cannot imagine any hospital so backward and so ignorant as to prohibit
you
from visiting your partner today.

> We have been down this road before.  You continue to say what COULD be,
what SHOULD be.  it is not that way Marvin. WAKE UP AND FACE REALITY!!! <

Did you not hear of the Supreme Court ruling? Have you never heard of Will
and Grace? or Willow and Tara? or any of the other mainstream media
programs
which have either focused on or included individual programs involving gay
men and women? We are talking a different reality today than the world in
which you and I grew up, Ed.

ME:  Don't be silly, you can use any word you like. If you wish to call
the
relation****p "marriage" then by all means do so.

> Haven't you already said that that shouldn't be allowed? <

What, I shouldn't allow you to call your relation****p "marriage"? If that
is
your subjective reality then I defend your privilege to embrace it. It's
when you insist that I embrace your subjective reality that I think you're
being intrusive.

ME to Gene:  Are you kidding? They are the only thing preventing you from
having a really good ***ual experience with another man. Aren't they?

> And that is the real problem.  You have never been able to come to terms
with your own ***uality.  Get help Marvin. <

I think Gene is the only one of the three of us that is out of touch with
reality, Ed. I have a little more self-knowledge, that's all. I know that
Mrs Peel turns me on rather than Steed (just started getting the old
"Avengers" TV programs on DVD). But I also know that, aside from the
belief
that I "ought not", I could probably enjoy receiving oral stimulation from
anyone. The fact that for Gene this is beyond his imagination is what I
find
a bit naive.

 > But you want to continue the old taboos.  You have said as much. You
have
stated previously that children SHOULD NOT be allowed to see same ***
couples as equal to mixed *** couples. <

I believe children must understand that same *** coupling is for persons
with a homo***ual orientation. It is not how people normally mate. This is
not a taboo based in prejudice or superstition. It is an objective,
biological, naturalistic view of mating.

Gene: >... you may say that the lesbian could simply change her attitude
and
she would enjoy *** with her required mate, ... <

ME:  She would not marry someone she does not love.

> Say what?  Why wouldn't she?  Many women (and men too) marry someone
they
do not love for many, many reasons. <

That's not my point. My point is that a lesbian may in fact love a man.
This
may come from respect and admiration. Or by his giving her emotional or
spiritual sup****t. And she may choose, for those reasons, to marry him and
have his children -- even though she continues to find other women
attractive.