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Re: The Long Awaited TRUTH About Ray Haddad's "I Bombed Hanoi in 1974" Claim: 'Twas MAGIC!

by "RJM" <scratch.pad@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 4, 2007 at 09:23 AM

"Ed" <edrhodes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:1188896968.841750.148200@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sep 4, 3:32 am, "RJM" <scratch....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "Ed" <edrho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1188878746.618566.304280@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 3, 5:20 pm, Mark Lewis <Scottishsold...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> On Sep 3, 10:46 am, Ed <edrho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Aug 22, 5:32 pm, Sylvia <syl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Hey! Remember this?
>>
>> >> > >      "Did you ever hear of us going back to bomb Vietnam
>> >> > >        in 1974? Probably not. You were too nitwitted to even
>> >> > >        pick up a paper back then. I was in the Vietnam area in
>> >> > >        1974 with USS Ranger which bombed Hanoi after Nixon
>> >> > >        resigned. Look it up. Learn something for a change. "
>>
>> >> > >                    -- Ray Haddad  disparages Miz Sylvia for 
>> >> > > pointing
>> >> > >                        out that his "22 year military career" is
a
>> >> > > LIE
>> >> > >                        http://tinyurl.com/25r5jx
>>
>> >> > > MAGIC part:  Haddad bombed Hanoi all the way from California!
>>
>> >> > >     "I worked for Chuck Martinez Magicians' World in San Diego
>> >> > >      at their Escondido shop (which I managed) in 1974-75 and
was
>> >> > >      paid at whatever the prevailing minimum wage was at the 
>> >> > > time."
>>
>> >> > >              -- Ray Haddad, San Diego Minimum Wage Store Clerk
>> >> > >                  http://tinyurl.com/23pbwd
>>
>> >> >  don't see the claimed inconsistency here. There are 12 months in 
>> >> > 1974
>> >> > just as there are for other years. Ray could well have finished
out
>> >> > his military service early in 1974, been discharged, gotten a job
at
>> >> > "Magician's World" and worked there through the rest of '74 and
>> >> > through '75.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> And so what if there is an inconsistency? So what if Ray is being
>> >> economical with the truth? What Sylvia fails to grasp is that none
of
>> >> us care!
>>
>> >> He is not a serial murderer in his spare time. (as far we know
anyway)
>> >> He doesn't mug old ladies, He doesn't set fire to houses. All he
does
>> >> is torture innocent audiences with the bra trick.
>>
>> >> No big deal. Why the overreaction?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > There you go. Mark Lewis has spoken and the truth has been heard!
>>
>> > Mind you, Sylvia still isn't going to get it!
>>
>> Nor, I regret to tell you, are a majority of MIGS in MW.
>> Ray is a liar. He lies as if he were performing sleight of hand
>> before a sceptical audience he has badly misjudged. He is
>> a liar without ****tfolio. I should tell you that I believe some of
>> Ray's claims. I believe he spent time in the US military. The
>> reality, I believe, is that his service time was fairly ordinary, that
>> he came out with a pension for life, and that is his life. Not to
>> say, his living. I also believe he has tried different career options,
>> including as a third rate magician. I believe he is ordinary.
>
> There's a movie I saw once. "If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium"
> concerned a group of Americans on a "7 days, 7 countries" vacation.
>
> In a scene set in a plaza in Italy, this father is showing his kids
> how he and his men worked their way through this plaza during the war,
> fighting off a batallion of German soldiers. At the other end of the
> plaza, a German tourist is busy talking to <his> kids, and although
> they don't translate it, you soon realize he's talking about the exact
> same battle, telling his kids how he and his men worked their way
> through the plaze fighting off a batallion of American soldiers! The
> two parties cross the plaza, passing each other, oblivious to each
> other's presence, secure in the knowledge that <their> version of the
> events is the true one. We're the only ones who get to see that
> they're contradicting each other.

I'm impressed, of course, by the originality and intellectual rigour of
your example.

> Even if Ray is just one of those grumpy old men sitting on this
> virtual ****ch telling us how he single-handly won Vietnam and worked
> with the USO at the same time, what of it? He still handles himself
> with more class and dignity than Sylvia or her followers.

I suggest that Ray is handling you with the plausibility and intellectual
bankruptcy of his example.
 




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Sylvia <sylvia@[EMAIL   2007-08-22 16:32:17 
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Sylvia <sylvia@[EMAIL   2007-08-22 21:47:41 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-05 20:31:20 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-07 10:03:13 
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Mark Lewis <Scottishso  2007-09-03 14:20:00 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-04 06:24:56 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-03 21:05:46 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-04 07:32:17 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-04 16:15:18 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-04 14:16:52 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-04 22:57:56 
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"William Cuntsler&qu  2007-09-05 11:55:29 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-05 18:36:03 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-05 17:51:34 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-06 01:35:37 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-06 08:09:25 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-07 10:03:39 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-07 17:24:07 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-07 22:11:41 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-08 06:35:34 
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"Stan (the Man)"  2007-09-07 18:45:30 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-08 01:54:14 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-08 09:42:59 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-07 13:31:36 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-07 22:12:15 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-07 17:35:06 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-05 21:29:27 
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"John Ashby" &l  2007-09-06 05:50:29 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-06 11:22:47 
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John Ashby <J.V.Ashby@  2007-09-06 16:28:23 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-07 17:12:48 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-07 14:08:10 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-08 17:57:39 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-04 21:10:35 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-05 18:45:31 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-06 16:37:04 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-06 14:22:05 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-14 21:48:30 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-04 09:23:49 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-04 18:56:50 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-04 11:09:30 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-05 06:35:13 
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"Stan (the Man)"  2007-09-04 23:21:12 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-05 07:40:51 
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"Stan (the Man)"  2007-09-04 23:52:09 
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"William Cuntsler&qu  2007-09-05 11:57:34 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-05 09:46:07 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-05 20:59:01 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-05 14:13:12 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-06 03:36:24 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-06 16:37:04 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-07 06:55:34 
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Sylvia <sylvia@[EMAIL   2007-09-23 07:23:52 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-05 09:46:07 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-04 18:07:14 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-05 10:44:05 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-05 18:35:05 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-05 02:16:22 
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"RJM" <scrat  2007-09-05 17:23:53 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-05 10:20:17 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-06 01:24:03 
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Ed <edrhodes@[EMAIL PR  2007-09-05 20:28:54 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-06 11:28:56 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-07 22:25:15 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-07 18:10:32 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-08 15:16:22 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-08 18:48:15 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-09 19:56:51 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-09 15:33:47 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-09 22:21:49 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-09 16:35:18 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-09 23:38:29 
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Ray Haddad <rhaddad@[E  2007-09-10 06:31:15 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-09 23:14:29 
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Josh Hill <usereplyto@  2007-09-09 23:11:00 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-10 08:56:27 
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Skipper <skipspamless@  2007-09-10 06:11:08 
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Alan Hope <usenet.iden  2007-09-10 17:18:20 
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