On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:
>Doug Weller wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:35:55 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:57 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>[...]
>>>>>Since fear of God (and God's punishment) is the reason many atheists
>>>>>reject God, yes, a night spent experiencing the supernatural would
>>>>>probably be a very terrifying night for such people.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are greatly ignornant on the subject of atheism. Fear of God's
>>>>punishment could be a reason for rejecting God, but rejecting God does
>>>>not equate to disbelieving in God. In fact, one logically must *not*
be
>>>>an atheist in order to believe in God enough to fear him.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, rejection of God can lead, over time, to ignoring
God,
>>>>which can become a sort of atheism by default.
>>>>
>>>>On the third hand, fear of God's punishment is an extremely rare
reason
>>>>for rejecting God. At least, I have never heard of it happening. A
much
>>>>more common reason for rejecting God is hatred of God for what he has
>>>>done. Usually this happens when people who are raised to believe that
>>>>God is Good have bad things happen to them, despite their sincere
>>>>prayers. The God they were promised was demostrably not there. Of
>>>>course, the problem is more with the promises than with God, but it's
not
>>>>like "God is good" is a fringe belief.
>>>>
>>>>Getting back to atheism, there are three main reasons (that I know of)
>>>>why people choose it. The first is similar to the above reason for
>>>>rejecting God, except more impersonal. The theists say that a God has
>>>>certain qualities which people can observe, those qualities are not
>>>>observed, ergo God does not exist.
>>>>
>>>>The second is probably the most common. Quite simply, there is no
reason
>>>>philosophically to expect a god. Yes, there are plenty of so-called
>>>>proofs of God, but they were debunked centuries ago. Today, they are
>>>>only used by the faithless to try to convince themselves.
>>>>
>>>>The third reason is the main reason why I became an athiest: the
theists
>>>>showed me, by their words and actions, that atheism was the morally
>>>>superior position. Consider, for example, Nomen's quote: "I truly
>>>>believe someone has to be insane not to believe in God the Creator
..."
>>>>I simply do not want to be around someone filled with as much bigotry
as
>>>>he is.
>>>>
>>>>Note that I am not saying that these are good reasons, nor am I trying
to
>>>>convince anyone. I simply offer these observations in hopes that they
>>>>help you understand atheists better.
>>>
>>>Atheists believe in God. The belief is inherent in the
>>>human condition... cognizance demands it. There is no
>>>choice in the matter.
>>
>>
>> What planet does this guy come from?
>>
>> The only choice is in choosing to
>>
>>>accept or reject Him. This is a moral decision based on the
>>>strength of the individual's dependence on their base
>>>desires. Those who accept God are prone to be discomforted
>>>by those lower desires and would suppress them when they
>>>can. Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when
>>>they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing
>>>those same base desires freely at their own discretion.
>>>
>>>Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism
>>>that promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward
>>>man's imagined perceptions of his own and the world's
>>>fallibility. Some religions make their deity so much like
>>>themselves that their adherents see themselves as gods,
>>>empowered by the convenient but false tenet of Relativism,
>>>to do as they will regardless of any constraints imposed by
>>>God's absolute morality. Among the man is god religions is
>>>the religion of Atheism.
>>
>>
>> That may be part of your belief system, but it isn't correct.
>
>Explain this imagined 'incorrectness'?
There is no point. You have decided you know THE TRUTH and you apparently
haven't even seen the contradictions in your post above.
Doug
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