Doug Weller wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:23:50 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
> wrote:
>
>
>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>wrote:
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>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:35:55 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>Mark Isaak wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:57 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>>>Since fear of God (and God's punishment) is the reason many
atheists
>>>>>>>>reject God, yes, a night spent experiencing the supernatural would
>>>>>>>>probably be a very terrifying night for such people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are greatly ignornant on the subject of atheism. Fear of God's
>>>>>>>punishment could be a reason for rejecting God, but rejecting God
does
>>>>>>>not equate to disbelieving in God. In fact, one logically must
*not* be
>>>>>>>an atheist in order to believe in God enough to fear him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On the other hand, rejection of God can lead, over time, to
ignoring God,
>>>>>>>which can become a sort of atheism by default.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On the third hand, fear of God's punishment is an extremely rare
reason
>>>>>>>for rejecting God. At least, I have never heard of it happening.
A much
>>>>>>>more common reason for rejecting God is hatred of God for what he
has
>>>>>>>done. Usually this happens when people who are raised to believe
that
>>>>>>>God is Good have bad things happen to them, despite their sincere
>>>>>>>prayers. The God they were promised was demostrably not there. Of
>>>>>>>course, the problem is more with the promises than with God, but
it's not
>>>>>>>like "God is good" is a fringe belief.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Getting back to atheism, there are three main reasons (that I know
of)
>>>>>>>why people choose it. The first is similar to the above reason for
>>>>>>>rejecting God, except more impersonal. The theists say that a God
has
>>>>>>>certain qualities which people can observe, those qualities are not
>>>>>>>observed, ergo God does not exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The second is probably the most common. Quite simply, there is no
reason
>>>>>>>philosophically to expect a god. Yes, there are plenty of
so-called
>>>>>>>proofs of God, but they were debunked centuries ago. Today, they
are
>>>>>>>only used by the faithless to try to convince themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The third reason is the main reason why I became an athiest: the
theists
>>>>>>>showed me, by their words and actions, that atheism was the morally
>>>>>>>superior position. Consider, for example, Nomen's quote: "I truly
>>>>>>>believe someone has to be insane not to believe in God the Creator
..."
>>>>>>>I simply do not want to be around someone filled with as much
bigotry as
>>>>>>>he is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note that I am not saying that these are good reasons, nor am I
trying to
>>>>>>>convince anyone. I simply offer these observations in hopes that
they
>>>>>>>help you understand atheists better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Atheists believe in God. The belief is inherent in the
>>>>>>human condition... cognizance demands it. There is no
>>>>>>choice in the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What planet does this guy come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>accept or reject Him. This is a moral decision based on the
>>>>>>strength of the individual's dependence on their base
>>>>>>desires. Those who accept God are prone to be discomforted
>>>>>>by those lower desires and would suppress them when they
>>>>>>can. Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when
>>>>>>they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing
>>>>>>those same base desires freely at their own discretion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism
>>>>>>that promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward
>>>>>>man's imagined perceptions of his own and the world's
>>>>>>fallibility. Some religions make their deity so much like
>>>>>>themselves that their adherents see themselves as gods,
>>>>>>empowered by the convenient but false tenet of Relativism,
>>>>>>to do as they will regardless of any constraints imposed by
>>>>>>God's absolute morality. Among the man is god religions is
>>>>>>the religion of Atheism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That may be part of your belief system, but it isn't correct.
>>>>
>>>>Explain this imagined 'incorrectness'?
>>>
>>>
>>>There is no point. You have decided you know THE TRUTH and you
apparently
>>>haven't even seen the contradictions in your post above.
>>
>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get of the pot.
>
>
> Get out of the pot? Get off the pot?
>
> Does anyone here think this guy has the ability to admit anything he
says
> is wrong? He's stupid enough to be posting this stuff to an archaeology
> and an astronomy group, he's hardly likely to realize he's talking
trash.
Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get off the pot.
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