On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:14:09 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:
>Doug Weller wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:23:50 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Doug Weller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:35:55 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose
Lorr
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:57 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>>>>Since fear of God (and God's punishment) is the reason many
atheists
>>>>>>>>>reject God, yes, a night spent experiencing the supernatural
would
>>>>>>>>>probably be a very terrifying night for such people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are greatly ignornant on the subject of atheism. Fear of
God's
>>>>>>>>punishment could be a reason for rejecting God, but rejecting God
does
>>>>>>>>not equate to disbelieving in God. In fact, one logically must
*not* be
>>>>>>>>an atheist in order to believe in God enough to fear him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On the other hand, rejection of God can lead, over time, to
ignoring God,
>>>>>>>>which can become a sort of atheism by default.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On the third hand, fear of God's punishment is an extremely rare
reason
>>>>>>>>for rejecting God. At least, I have never heard of it happening.
A much
>>>>>>>>more common reason for rejecting God is hatred of God for what he
has
>>>>>>>>done. Usually this happens when people who are raised to believe
that
>>>>>>>>God is Good have bad things happen to them, despite their sincere
>>>>>>>>prayers. The God they were promised was demostrably not there.
Of
>>>>>>>>course, the problem is more with the promises than with God, but
it's not
>>>>>>>>like "God is good" is a fringe belief.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Getting back to atheism, there are three main reasons (that I know
of)
>>>>>>>>why people choose it. The first is similar to the above reason
for
>>>>>>>>rejecting God, except more impersonal. The theists say that a God
has
>>>>>>>>certain qualities which people can observe, those qualities are
not
>>>>>>>>observed, ergo God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The second is probably the most common. Quite simply, there is no
reason
>>>>>>>>philosophically to expect a god. Yes, there are plenty of
so-called
>>>>>>>>proofs of God, but they were debunked centuries ago. Today, they
are
>>>>>>>>only used by the faithless to try to convince themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The third reason is the main reason why I became an athiest: the
theists
>>>>>>>>showed me, by their words and actions, that atheism was the
morally
>>>>>>>>superior position. Consider, for example, Nomen's quote: "I truly
>>>>>>>>believe someone has to be insane not to believe in God the Creator
..."
>>>>>>>>I simply do not want to be around someone filled with as much
bigotry as
>>>>>>>>he is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Note that I am not saying that these are good reasons, nor am I
trying to
>>>>>>>>convince anyone. I simply offer these observations in hopes that
they
>>>>>>>>help you understand atheists better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Atheists believe in God. The belief is inherent in the
>>>>>>>human condition... cognizance demands it. There is no
>>>>>>>choice in the matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What planet does this guy come from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>accept or reject Him. This is a moral decision based on the
>>>>>>>strength of the individual's dependence on their base
>>>>>>>desires. Those who accept God are prone to be discomforted
>>>>>>>by those lower desires and would suppress them when they
>>>>>>>can. Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when
>>>>>>>they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing
>>>>>>>those same base desires freely at their own discretion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism
>>>>>>>that promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward
>>>>>>>man's imagined perceptions of his own and the world's
>>>>>>>fallibility. Some religions make their deity so much like
>>>>>>>themselves that their adherents see themselves as gods,
>>>>>>>empowered by the convenient but false tenet of Relativism,
>>>>>>>to do as they will regardless of any constraints imposed by
>>>>>>>God's absolute morality. Among the man is god religions is
>>>>>>>the religion of Atheism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That may be part of your belief system, but it isn't correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Explain this imagined 'incorrectness'?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is no point. You have decided you know THE TRUTH and you
apparently
>>>>haven't even seen the contradictions in your post above.
>>>
>>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get of the pot.
>>
>>
>> Get out of the pot? Get off the pot?
>>
>> Does anyone here think this guy has the ability to admit anything he
says
>> is wrong? He's stupid enough to be posting this stuff to an
archaeology
>> and an astronomy group, he's hardly likely to realize he's talking
trash.
>
>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get off the pot.
Post some archaeology to sci.arch and astronomy to sci.astro or admit
you're a troll.
Doug
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