Doug Weller wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:14:09 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
> wrote:
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>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:23:50 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>wrote:
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>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>>>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:35:55 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose
Lorr
>>>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>>>Mark Isaak wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:57 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>>>>>Since fear of God (and God's punishment) is the reason many
atheists
>>>>>>>>>>reject God, yes, a night spent experiencing the supernatural
would
>>>>>>>>>>probably be a very terrifying night for such people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You are greatly ignornant on the subject of atheism. Fear of
God's
>>>>>>>>>punishment could be a reason for rejecting God, but rejecting God
does
>>>>>>>>>not equate to disbelieving in God. In fact, one logically must
*not* be
>>>>>>>>>an atheist in order to believe in God enough to fear him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, rejection of God can lead, over time, to
ignoring God,
>>>>>>>>>which can become a sort of atheism by default.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On the third hand, fear of God's punishment is an extremely rare
reason
>>>>>>>>>for rejecting God. At least, I have never heard of it happening.
A much
>>>>>>>>>more common reason for rejecting God is hatred of God for what he
has
>>>>>>>>>done. Usually this happens when people who are raised to believe
that
>>>>>>>>>God is Good have bad things happen to them, despite their sincere
>>>>>>>>>prayers. The God they were promised was demostrably not there.
Of
>>>>>>>>>course, the problem is more with the promises than with God, but
it's not
>>>>>>>>>like "God is good" is a fringe belief.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Getting back to atheism, there are three main reasons (that I
know of)
>>>>>>>>>why people choose it. The first is similar to the above reason
for
>>>>>>>>>rejecting God, except more impersonal. The theists say that a
God has
>>>>>>>>>certain qualities which people can observe, those qualities are
not
>>>>>>>>>observed, ergo God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The second is probably the most common. Quite simply, there is
no reason
>>>>>>>>>philosophically to expect a god. Yes, there are plenty of
so-called
>>>>>>>>>proofs of God, but they were debunked centuries ago. Today, they
are
>>>>>>>>>only used by the faithless to try to convince themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The third reason is the main reason why I became an athiest: the
theists
>>>>>>>>>showed me, by their words and actions, that atheism was the
morally
>>>>>>>>>superior position. Consider, for example, Nomen's quote: "I
truly
>>>>>>>>>believe someone has to be insane not to believe in God the
Creator ..."
>>>>>>>>>I simply do not want to be around someone filled with as much
bigotry as
>>>>>>>>>he is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Note that I am not saying that these are good reasons, nor am I
trying to
>>>>>>>>>convince anyone. I simply offer these observations in hopes that
they
>>>>>>>>>help you understand atheists better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Atheists believe in God. The belief is inherent in the
>>>>>>>>human condition... cognizance demands it. There is no
>>>>>>>>choice in the matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What planet does this guy come from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>accept or reject Him. This is a moral decision based on the
>>>>>>>>strength of the individual's dependence on their base
>>>>>>>>desires. Those who accept God are prone to be discomforted
>>>>>>>>by those lower desires and would suppress them when they
>>>>>>>>can. Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when
>>>>>>>>they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing
>>>>>>>>those same base desires freely at their own discretion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism
>>>>>>>>that promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward
>>>>>>>>man's imagined perceptions of his own and the world's
>>>>>>>>fallibility. Some religions make their deity so much like
>>>>>>>>themselves that their adherents see themselves as gods,
>>>>>>>>empowered by the convenient but false tenet of Relativism,
>>>>>>>>to do as they will regardless of any constraints imposed by
>>>>>>>>God's absolute morality. Among the man is god religions is
>>>>>>>>the religion of Atheism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That may be part of your belief system, but it isn't correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Explain this imagined 'incorrectness'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no point. You have decided you know THE TRUTH and you
apparently
>>>>>haven't even seen the contradictions in your post above.
>>>>
>>>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get of the pot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Get out of the pot? Get off the pot?
>>>
>>>Does anyone here think this guy has the ability to admit anything he
says
>>>is wrong? He's stupid enough to be posting this stuff to an
archaeology
>>>and an astronomy group, he's hardly likely to realize he's talking
trash.
>>
>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get off the pot.
>
>
> Post some archaeology to sci.arch and astronomy to sci.astro or admit
> you're a troll.
In other words you are full of crap.
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