Doug Weller wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:23:22 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
> wrote:
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>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:14:09 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>wrote:
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>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>>>On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:23:50 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose Lorr
>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:22:53 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose
Lorr
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>>>>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:35:55 -0700, in sci.archaeology, Roy Jose
Lorr
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>>>>>>>>>>Mark Isaak wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:40:57 -0700, Linda Lee wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>Since fear of God (and God's punishment) is the reason many
atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>reject God, yes, a night spent experiencing the supernatural
would
>>>>>>>>>>>>probably be a very terrifying night for such people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You are greatly ignornant on the subject of atheism. Fear of
God's
>>>>>>>>>>>punishment could be a reason for rejecting God, but rejecting
God does
>>>>>>>>>>>not equate to disbelieving in God. In fact, one logically must
*not* be
>>>>>>>>>>>an atheist in order to believe in God enough to fear him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, rejection of God can lead, over time, to
ignoring God,
>>>>>>>>>>>which can become a sort of atheism by default.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On the third hand, fear of God's punishment is an extremely
rare reason
>>>>>>>>>>>for rejecting God. At least, I have never heard of it
happening. A much
>>>>>>>>>>>more common reason for rejecting God is hatred of God for what
he has
>>>>>>>>>>>done. Usually this happens when people who are raised to
believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>God is Good have bad things happen to them, despite their
sincere
>>>>>>>>>>>prayers. The God they were promised was demostrably not there.
Of
>>>>>>>>>>>course, the problem is more with the promises than with God,
but it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>like "God is good" is a fringe belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Getting back to atheism, there are three main reasons (that I
know of)
>>>>>>>>>>>why people choose it. The first is similar to the above reason
for
>>>>>>>>>>>rejecting God, except more impersonal. The theists say that a
God has
>>>>>>>>>>>certain qualities which people can observe, those qualities are
not
>>>>>>>>>>>observed, ergo God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The second is probably the most common. Quite simply, there is
no reason
>>>>>>>>>>>philosophically to expect a god. Yes, there are plenty of
so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>proofs of God, but they were debunked centuries ago. Today,
they are
>>>>>>>>>>>only used by the faithless to try to convince themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The third reason is the main reason why I became an athiest:
the theists
>>>>>>>>>>>showed me, by their words and actions, that atheism was the
morally
>>>>>>>>>>>superior position. Consider, for example, Nomen's quote: "I
truly
>>>>>>>>>>>believe someone has to be insane not to believe in God the
Creator ..."
>>>>>>>>>>>I simply do not want to be around someone filled with as much
bigotry as
>>>>>>>>>>>he is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Note that I am not saying that these are good reasons, nor am I
trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>convince anyone. I simply offer these observations in hopes
that they
>>>>>>>>>>>help you understand atheists better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Atheists believe in God. The belief is inherent in the
>>>>>>>>>>human condition... cognizance demands it. There is no
>>>>>>>>>>choice in the matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What planet does this guy come from?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The only choice is in choosing to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>accept or reject Him. This is a moral decision based on the
>>>>>>>>>>strength of the individual's dependence on their base
>>>>>>>>>>desires. Those who accept God are prone to be discomforted
>>>>>>>>>>by those lower desires and would suppress them when they
>>>>>>>>>>can. Those who reject God tend to feel discomforted when
>>>>>>>>>>they are advised by conscience to put limits on expressing
>>>>>>>>>>those same base desires freely at their own discretion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Formal religions are based on the natural defense mechanism
>>>>>>>>>>that promotes collectivization of like attitudes toward
>>>>>>>>>>man's imagined perceptions of his own and the world's
>>>>>>>>>>fallibility. Some religions make their deity so much like
>>>>>>>>>>themselves that their adherents see themselves as gods,
>>>>>>>>>>empowered by the convenient but false tenet of Relativism,
>>>>>>>>>>to do as they will regardless of any constraints imposed by
>>>>>>>>>>God's absolute morality. Among the man is god religions is
>>>>>>>>>>the religion of Atheism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That may be part of your belief system, but it isn't correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Explain this imagined 'incorrectness'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is no point. You have decided you know THE TRUTH and you
apparently
>>>>>>>haven't even seen the contradictions in your post above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get of the pot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Get out of the pot? Get off the pot?
>>>>>
>>>>>Does anyone here think this guy has the ability to admit anything he
says
>>>>>is wrong? He's stupid enough to be posting this stuff to an
archaeology
>>>>>and an astronomy group, he's hardly likely to realize he's talking
trash.
>>>>
>>>>Point out the 'contradictions' in my post or get off the pot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Post some archaeology to sci.arch and astronomy to sci.astro or admit
>>>you're a troll.
>>
>>In other words you are full of crap.
>
>
> ROTFL. The person full of crap is not the one asking for posters to
> sci.archaeology to post about archaeology and posters to sci.astronomy
to
> post about astronomy. Your response was to be expected and again shows
> that you are a troll. Or an idiot, take your pick.
Moron, in responding to a cross post I do not ask that
others answer. If you chose to respond that's your affair
and your mental problem, especially since you think its
'idiotic' for others to do so. Admit you are a mental midget.
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