Bob Thomson wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax a écrit :
>> Bob Thomson wrote:
>>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax a écrit :
>>>> Bob Thomson wrote:
>>>>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax a écrit :
>>>>>> Bob Thomson wrote:
>>>>>>> (...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely, I don't feel closeness between my journey's piece and
>>>>>>> this poem, but thanks for the tip anyway, and I will have a
>>>>>>> deeper look at the videos you kindly suggested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before we dwelve into this in more detail, would you mind if I
>>>>>>> first ask you a question that is im****tant to me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was thinking of the language eg Finnish, Suomi etc.
>>>>>> Anyway, anyone is free to ask questions, so go ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> FFF
>>>>>> Dirk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/
- Transcendence UK
>>>>>> Remote Viewing cl***** in London
>>>>>
>>>>> It's your sig that intrigued me, so I visited the Web site...
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please tell me your true stance about the church of
>>>>> scientology? (Since you are obviously proficient in RV, and their
>>>>> implication in this field is not a secret at all.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be ready to explain more why this is im****tant to me (it
>>>>> directly concerns some practical aspects of the personal research
>>>>> work I've been talking about here so far) and there is no issue on
>>>>> my side with talking about it all more in depth on a forum. I know
>>>>> how much any true Asatruar values truth in words, so all this is
>>>>> asked in a very frank, relaxed and positive way.
>>>>
>>>> CoS was a very clever synthesis of oldish occult ideas and
>>>> psychological techniques.
>>>
>>> Thanks for letting me know your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Well, I have already found a few things, and I'm not sure I'd use the
>>> term clever for their "dianetics", but it's only my point of view.
>>
>> Well, the clever bit was really to do with packaging and marketing.
>
> I can better see your point. I would not exactly call it "clever"
> though, but rather a very rarely seen degree of nerve and lack of any
> sort of ethical standards which enabled (as we all know for instance
> since the Xenu "myths" have been published) such a "clever" manipulator
> to originally sell each copy of that stuff at incredibly high prices.
>
>
>>> Like how and when the then young and already ruthless crook LRH got
>>> to know Crowley's Moonchild concept via an Californian occultist who
>>> also was a rocket scientist (by the way, I never tried to search
>>> whether this one had a slight remnant of a German accent and had
>>> travelled on Paperclip airlines) before he eventually sold the idea
>>> to A. W. Dulles and became what he became, with a little help behind
>>> the scenes from the then nascent CIA so that he could recycle his
>>> trash science fiction books and fit a need for a much more ambitious
>>> project who received its death sentence only quite recently. A
>>> project on a similar line than the Raelian movement and OTS in
>>> France, only with a bigger bag of bucks in its pocket because it was
>>> a US project.
>>
>> IIRC around 1980 Elron was making $4billion per year from CoS - yes,
>> BILLION! (back when that was a lot of money).
>> He overreached himself when he tried infiltrating the FBI, and also
>> tried to take over a small nation. Always wondered where Creedence
>> Clearwater Revival got their name (only joking - I don't really think
>> there's a connection).
>
> Well, I could, sometimes from a close view, see to which extent they had
> infiltrated some of the CIA's current psy programs until the present
> management could bring law and order back into at least most of his
> place, not mentioning Sarkozy's France. Is this this same country you
> were referring to?
>
>
>> (...)
>>
>>>> If you want info on its techniques read:
>>>> Geoffrey Filbert's "Excalibur".
>>>> http://www.freezoneamerica.org/excal/excal00.html#toc
>>>
>>> It looks like an interesting site, thanks. It should enable me to
>>> understand more accurately in which context a few things that I read
>>> on forums were written.
>>
>> Well, nobody is neutral when it comes to Scientology. It's best just
>> to look at their techniques and avoid the politics.
>
> I'm sure that this is what American "pragmatists" had in mind when they
> set up Paperclip.
>
>
>>> Well, I got info from a few RV techniques by reading and studying the
>>> manual, got hands-on training on visual Reiki and a few other tricks,
>>> and basically am an ever-learning person, but this is not where I got
>>> the bulk of my training - it's from my teachers, spirit guides from
>>> the World Above and fellow shamans (mostly neo-shamans), especially
>>> from the
>>
>> Whichever paradigm works for you. For me, it's TechnoShamanism.
>
> Shamanism has always been seen as an empirical approach and more results
> oriented than based on ideology or (blind) faith, but the technical part
> that I perfectly do well without is the whole shebang of equipment that
> some of those people are using in order to boost (amplify) their
> abilities. They brought it all in when they saw how they were no game as
> long as the rules were fair, even though they had brought in all the
> former big names of their gang. Which is also why I say these people are
> despicable cowards, so far away from any warrior's ethics as I do
> understand that word, be it European Middle Ages chivalry, Japanese
> Bu****do or Asatru. I don't need to bring the names, details, dates and
> all here, but I've got them in my diaries.
>
> Even then, they can be defeated with bare hands. For one thing, they
> always follow the same ways. They abide by protocols built up what they
> think is state-of-the-art knowledge (psy-op attempts at downgrading the
> receiver and gaining an influence on him) and they stick to that, adding
> more and more quantitative efforts to it (it must have cost them an
> awful lot) as much as they feel it appropriate, and, well, they can't
> seem to escape from this modern, technological vision. Swiftness and the
> ability to improvise are key.
>
>
>>> Siberian tradition. I was told the Nordic and Siberian traditions are
>>> still quite close and eventually come from the same roots, so
>>> hopefully this will help me when studying more specifically Nordic
>>> shamanism.
>>
>> You might be interested in investigating Seidr, in that case. However,
>> it has traditionally been a female thing. Freya Aswynn (sp?), flawed
>> though she may be, is a powerful exponent in practice, although a bit
>> too eclectic for the purists.
>
> Yes, I remember reading an account of a (bloody) controversy on this
> gender topic, in Iceland, I think. I've been interested by divination
> since I was a teen, first the Yi Jing (later working on a translation
> from Chinese of my own), then Crowley's tarot, through which I bumped
> into fascinating synchronicities between some heavily sombolic journeys
> I had made and a couple of illustrations of its cards. New Age fluffy
> bunnies do not seem to like it, but I did not find anything that was
> specifically "dark" in it. I think I like the aesthetical aspects of
> this work.
>
>>> As a last remark (we may leave it at that and there is nothing
>>> personal in it), I could not help noticing that on the other hand,
>>> scientologists practicing those techniques (I don't specifically mean
>>> RV practicionners here) somewhat seemed to me to be to shamans more
>>> or less what sharks are to dolphins, irreconcilable and mutually
>>> foreign species.
>>
>> The ecology is wide and deep when it comes to magick, and some niches
>> are heavily infested and defended.
>
> True, but, well, I had a job to do, the bulk of which I seem to have
> achieved last night. To me, what was im****tant was to better understand
> the true reasons behind the synchronicity that you mentioned here.
>
>> Most magicians/shamans don't usually wander into that territory except
>> by accident. It's dangerous. All kinds of strange connections and
>> synchronicities.
>
> Indeed. Ethics and purpose are paramount, at each moment of our lives.
>
> Now the times seem on the verge to change... only little clues here and
> there to see for now, like this airplane recently shot down in the
> skies, who exploded above Viet-nam. Paraphrasing the old Chinese saying,
> we may all live interesting times soon.
>
>
>> You mentioned Paperclip, so you probably know something of that
already.
>
> Yep... I brought back a few vivid personal memories, dating from the
> early fifties up to 1957. It has been real pain to heal, and now, all
> I've got is a few little scars as a souvenir. What does not kill you
> makes you stronger, so they say.
>
>
> Back to the original topic... When adding alt.religion.asatru to this
> thread, I was hoping to also get some feed-back more centered around the
> contents of the journey that I've been describing, an event in the World
> Above, but - knowing how much Asatruar can be (rightly) careful against
> hasty mix-ups concerning their Deities, I'm really glad about the
> answers I got to this question concerning Lilith and Freyja. It opened
> the door to in fact several big steps in my research.
>
> And this little technical discussion has also been quite interesting as
> well. To all who answered me, thank you for your time.
A couple of other links you might find of interest. The first concerns
Asatru ethics and is an essay I wrote:
http://www.neopax.com/asatru/oath/index.html
One on Freya:
http://www.neopax.com/asatru/meetingfreya/index.html
And the archive of some radio shows me and Marc did a while back -
fairly patchy but you might find some stuff of interest.
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5
If you don't know much about it, try the hemisync (binaural tones). It's
a very good hitech trance technique. We included a basic MP3:
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?p=56
FFF
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/
- Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing cl***** in London
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