Re: Parallel universes proven by Quantum Computers

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> > > > It does appear that for a quantum computer to work then the
> > > > computations take place within counterparts in parallel universes.
The
> > > > computations do not happen in this universe which has been
> > > > successfully proven. For these computations to occur within a
similar
> > > > quantum computer in a very similar but different universe.
> > > >
> > > > If one comes to accept Quantum theory then Parallel universes are
a
> > > > pliable application. Do counterparts intermingle and overlap in
the
> > > > physical macro world?  A molecole has been teased into a quantum
state
> > > > which shows that larger particles of matter can inhabit quantum
> > > > states.  In the extreme this may apply to large physical objects
and
> > > > personas.  The possibility of all possibilities ripening and
maturing
> > > > along seperate paths is exciting.  What this does to the concept
of
> > > > the soul I leave to the Priests of the new Quantum age.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A wise man explained it to me once as all being part of God Stew.
I am
> > > > not sure what he meant but there may be something to that.
> > >
> > >
> > > God Stew means that everything is in a state of brewing until
tasted.
>  The
> > > Parallel Universes theory is collapsed the moment one of the
infinite
> > > probabilities is observed.  This is the Anthropic Principle.
> >
> >
> > That is the old theory. Now the observations of quantum computers
> > imply that all possibilities occur in seperate universes. The
> > Anthropic Principle would not allow a computation to occur only the
> > giving of random results.  Quantum computers do generate an amount of
> > noise which must be corrected but this is not the same as random
> > results which the anthropic Principle would dictate.
> >
> >   Reality is
> > > created when observed.  Unless the moment of it being observed by
the
> > > observer, all things are indeterminate and uncertain (the
Uncertainty
> > > Principle.)  Nothing is predetermined as all is in a state of flux.
> > >
> > > cesar
> >
> > I have to agree that Reality is created as observed. The uncertainty
> > principle applies to the observer of each universe the overall picture
> > is quite different. However when all possibilities occur then
> > everything is predetermined and all outcomes evolve. This is quite
> > different than the Nihlism Philosophy you seem to believe.
> 
> Yeah but how do you know there are other 'observers' in other universes?

That hasn't been proven yet. So at this time we can not say with
certainty that there are observers in other universes but there must
at least be particles of submatter.


> It's purely theoretical and exists only "on paper".   Yet, if someone
from
> this universe 'observes' what's happening in another universe, then that
> universe would really be in 'this universe' wouldn't it be?  


Yes and no.  A virtual photon can be sent to another universe to learn
something aboout that universe through quantum entanglement. Remember
that the observed photon will have the anti features of its
counterpart.



Let's say for
> argument's sake, the future of this universe, tomorrow, is a parallel
> universe today.  Someone who is 'psychic' who can see tomorrow, the
parallel
> universe, sees a person dying in a car accident.  By your argument, that
> world is real, especially since it has been 'observed' by the psychic.
> Now, knowing that there will be an accident, the subject stays home the
> entire day, thereby avoiding the accident and none occurs. 


 He lives.  In
> one universe he dies.



  In another, he lives.
   What gives? 

To psychically view something is untestable and not in the realm of
science.  If parallel universes exist as real as this one then you can
die in one and live in another no problem there. The old time travel
problem which is similar to your psychics vision may be a good
example. If you travel to the past and kill your father then you were
never born. In parallel universes there is no conflict, transversing
time creates a new universe.


 The fallacy is
> in the trans-dimensional observation.   That which is not observed from
> within the same dimension (universe) is not valid.  It is a
'probability'
> that collapses upon observation.  It's that old Schroedinger cat theory.

Remember in Quantum theory Schroedinger's cat is both alive and dead. 
Hawkins says there is no wave collapse just a spliting of observer
into seperate universes.


> 
> Now, quantumly speaking, particles are appearing and disappearing all
the
> time.  One might argue that when a particle is in a state of
disappearance
> (none existence in this universe), it may be existing in another
universe
> occupying the same space and time.   Now, let's say that the particle
has
> been annihilated by a nuclear transformation into pure energy.  What
> happened to it in the other universe? 
Maybe nothing maybe annihilation.

 Does it fizzle out mysteriously?

I see what you are geting at now. If one observer dies what happens to
his counterpart. They are independent. If the particle dies in this
universe then we have no way to observe it's counterpart. That doesn't
mean the counterpart is dead as well.

> Yet, it requires the power of a nuclear transformation to fizzle out, so
> would a nuclear explosion in one universe permeate through all parallel
> universes so the particle is annihilated from all universes?  That would
be
> chaos especially if you factor in time dimensions.
> 
Remember that time and space are elastic. Our universe is being
stretched, bent, folded, but from our point of view everything is
normal.  Do you feel the Earth twirl?  Imagine all matter in all the
universes as a pond, you throw a rock into the water(your nuke
explosion). One universe can be ripped apart by the rock. Other
universes feel nothing but the shockwave is still there.



> I would not describe it as Nihilism.  Rather, it is more like illusory.
> All material universes can be argued to be an illusion of the observer
since
> we have yet to define what 'quantum matter' is, because it 'is' yet 'is
> not'.  If observable matter is made up of quantum matter, then
observable
> matter itself is an illusion.
> 
> 
> cesar


I agree. Matter is made of quantum bits. Space time matter are
illusions when you get right down to it.