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Re: Mysteries of God

by Barry OGrady <god_freee_jones@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 18, 2004 at 12:53 AM

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:46:42 +1100, "Samson" <samson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>THANK GOD THE BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN GREEK.
>DON'T FORGET TO STUDY IT IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND IT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU MUST NOT DO THAT. YOU MUST ATTEND BIBLE
STUDY AND LISTEN TO SERMONS SO YOU CAN BE TOLD WHAT THE BIBLE IS
SAYING. YOU MAY NOT READ IT BY YOURSELF LEST YOU SEE THAT YOUR
TRAINERS ARE LIEING TO YOU.

>"Qolon" <telos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:C%S5c.107079$Wa.76845@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Richard Franing,
>>
>> I've included the following newsgroups within my reply as groups to
whom
>you
>> have posted (or SPAMMED) this article to:
>>
>> soc.culture.israel on 6 May 2002 09:19:27 -- There was no reply from
you
>> rec.arts.sf.written on 11 Sep 2002 08:27:00 -- The reply from you was
"The
>> Trilogy is for real"
>> alt.paranet.psi,alt.paranet.metaphysics 14 Oct 2002 18:40:27 -- There
was
>no
>> reply from you.
>>
>> Unfortunately for you, the Protestant Scholastic tradition has its own
>view
>> of Soul which is consistent with the Hebraic theological interpretation
>> given of the Greek/Latin term TELOS, that differs from your claims or
that
>> of other cultic traditions such Epicurean, Mithratic as Trinitarian
>belief:
>>
>> "And ye shall be hated-MISEO of all-PAS men for my name's-ONOMA (note:
>Torah
>> as NOMOS relation****p: {
>> "Thou that makest-KAUCHAOMAI {ie. to vaunt; (make) boast, glory, joy,
>> rejoice} thy boast-KAUCHAOMAI of the law-NOMOS, through-DIA
>> breaking-PARABASIS the law-NOMOS dishonourest-ATIMAZO thou God-THEOS?
For
>> the name-ONOMA of God-THEOS is blasphemed-BLASPHEMO among-EN the
>> Gentiles-ETHNOS through-DIA you, as it is written-GRAPHO." [Romans
>2:23-24]
>>
>>
>> }) sake: but he that endureth-HUPOMENO to the end-TELOS shall be
>saved-SOZO.
>> But when-HOTON they persecute-DIOKO you in this-TAUTE city-POLIS,
>flee-PHUGO
>> ye into-EIS another-ALLOS: for verily-AMEN I say-LEGO unto you, Ye
shall
>not
>> have gone-TELEO {to end, that is, complete, execute, conclude,
discharge
>(a
>> debt)} over-TELEO the cities-POLIS of Israel {He that sees God; He that
>> prevails with God}, till-HEOS the Son-UIHOS of man-ANTHROPOS be
come-HEOS.
>> The disciple-MATHETES is not above-HUPER his master-DIDASKALOS (ie.
>Teacher
>> of Righteousness), nor-OUDE the servant-DOULOS above his lord-KURIOS
{ie.
>> God, Lord, master, Sir}." [Matthew 10:22-24]
>>
>> Well actually, the Book of Genesis is an Intellectual Philosophical
>> consideration as genealogical polemic against Egyptian hymeneal
mysticism
>> which commences with the word 'BEGINNING' outlining its hermeneutic as
the
>7
>> days of creation--but makes special point of outlining that the
>instruments
>> of chronology (ie. The Sun and Moon) began their cycles on a Wednesday.
>>
>> It narrates some extra-ordinary literature (by any Oriental standards)
and
>> concludes with a prophetic of the Last Days given by Joseph {increase;
>> addition} to his sons: "Gather together, that I may tell you what shall
>> befall you in the last days." [Genesis 49:1]
>>
>> It cannot be denied that the Sabbath is not only intrinsic to the
Genesis
>> narrative, but continuing to be effectual if one is to truly "believe
in
>> God, Creator and Father of all men, [who] must feel compelled to work
for
>> the creation of a more fraternal and solid world, notwithstanding the
>> difficulties and obstacles they might find in this necessary and
>undelayable
>> path." [Papal Authority John Paul II condemning Spain Terrorist
Attacks,
>> From correspondents at the Vatican City, Courtesy: The Australian March
>14,
>> 2004]
>>
>> Although to answer your particular consideration: "Do we have any
reason
>to
>> think that the appearance of these commandments had any concrete
impact?"
>>
>> We are dealing here with the fundamentals of autonomy, liberty and the
>right
>> to be free from religious oppression. Principles of democratic autonomy
>are
>> afteral sustained by a 369 day chronological/mathematical matrix as the
>> Merkabah (ie. Kabbalistic) mystical (transcendent/metaphysical)
foundation
>> for a perennial solar/lunar {ie. 9(9²+1)/2 (#369) - 3(3²+1)/2 (#15) =
354
>> lunar cycle} philosophy uniting reason and faith and the mechanism for
>{#51,
>> #66, #77, #37 - Non-Deeming Action/ Administration of Government}.
>>
>> There exists an enigma within the Dead Sea Scrolls as to why only 364
days
>> (ie. 52 weeks) was deployed as a means of maintaining both calendar
>> integrity and the mechanism for lunar/solar calendar synchronisation.
>>
>> What were they looking for?
>>
>> The Sun is 400 times larger than the Moon, it is 400 times farther from
>the
>> Earth. A direct consequence of this fortuitous geometry is that during
a
>> total solar eclipse, the Moon occults the Sun with a nearly perfect
fit.
>> [Fred Espe****'s 'Fifty Year Canon of Solar Eclipses: 1986-2035' as
United
>> States of America's NASA {The Goddard Space Flight Centre, Greenbelt,
>> Maryland} Reference Publication 1178 Revised (July 1987) [ISBN
>0-933346-45-X
>> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/093334645X>
]
>>
>> The Gregorian 400 year calendar is also in effect the elapse of a 7-day
>> cycle within 400 years commencing the topical year on a Saturday: 400 x
>> 365.2425 {Approximate length of the topical year} = 146,097 days.
However
>> when this historical usage is extended to 6,000 as 15 x 400 years =
>> 2,191,455 (rather than precisely 2,191,453.192686) days, and then the
>total
>> years is made divisible by the 'oth character of the value 294 [6J] as
a
>> consideration of solar topical years, it produces a dynamic ratio
within
>its
>> result of 120J (ie. 20 x 6J) Jubilees + 120 [2J3W1D] years [ie. Law @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sinai
>> in [50J] + 12 x [6J] + [3W1D] = 6,000 years]. If the number of elapsed
>days
>> is considered 2,191,455 days, then it is evenly divisible by 7; when
>> divisible by 22 gives the character {MEM} as the 13th remaining, when
>> divisible by 41 gives the remaining value as 5 {HE}, and when divisible
by
>> 369 gives the remaining value 333 {+21=354; +36=369}.
>>
>> If the usual equinox on 21 March is taken as the Hebrew calendar's
Spring
>> commencement point for the synchronisation of the 24 Priestly Divisions
>> [1Chronicles 24:7-19], then further dividing 2,191,455 days by 364 days
>(ie.
>> 52 weeks) as a view of strict Jubilee notation considered to have
>commenced
>> its chronology cycle on a Wednesday [Genesis 1:14-19], will give 122J6W
>> (6020 x 364) + 175 (3J4W: 91 + 60 + 24) [ie. 4 x 91 [30+30+31]
Quarters]
>> days, ending on a Wednesday 12 September (ie. in the year 2001).
However
>the
>> elapse of 293 x 365.2425 {solar topical years} = the ordinal of 107016
>days
>> which also reflects the 'oth character of the value 294 [6J] years,
being
>> equivalent in days, when multiplied by {364} gives the 107016 day
cycle.
>>
>> Chronos/time keeping was afteral a religious function, even for those
who
>> pursued planetary based Egyptian, Pythagorean, Roman and Islamic
circular
>> (ie. image based) religious mysticism and that unlike the Hebrews,
failed
>to
>> achieve an integrated philosophical, metaphysical and theological
>> chronological system:
>>
>> Synchronising the Hebrew Calendar:
>>
>> 354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
>> 3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
>> (2 x #369 calendar matrix) [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar year] =
>>
>> 29/9/2000 (385 days)+17/9/2001 (353 days)+6/9/2002 (354 days) = 1092
days
>>
>> 1st (Remember the Sabbath?) 22/7 = 3W1D ... (Genesis/Arch or Apeiron)
>>
>> ...
>>
>> 4th (Avoiding Adultery) = 50J [Jubilee at Sinai] ... (Law at Sinai)
>> 5th (Don't Steal) = 72J+3(3²+1)/2 [as 2W1D] = 457BCE ... (2nd Temple
>[Daniel
>> 9:24-27])
>> 6th (Don't bear false witness) = 72J+10(10²+1)/2 = 33CE ... (30CE
>> Crucifixion; 33CE Martyrdom of Stephen [Acts 7:54-60])
>> 7th (Don't covet) = 122J3W1D (Saturday, 1 January, 2000 + topical
year/day
>> solar eclipse on 25 December, 2000 + 6 days) + 9(9²+1)/2 = #41 on 13-17
>> September, 2001 {ie. 52W5D or 9 x 41} ... (Telos)
>>
>> These are im****tant calendar considerations given the historical
>domination
>> of the Hebrews by the Idumeans (ie. Antipater, Herod and his offspring
as
>> ancestrally Palestinian [Acts 12:1-11]) being proselytes to the Torah
>> covenant, the consequential loss of religious and political autonomy to
>the
>> Romans, and the encroachment of the Roman Sothic calendar (365.25) from
>> circa 43BCE to 1752CE which only ceased by proclamation of British Act
of
>> Parliament, as the acceptance of a heliocentric cosmological world view
>and
>> associated calendar reforms by the Gregorian 400 year intercalation
cycle
>> [ie. an intercalated loss of 11 days; consideration of 1 January rather
>than
>> 25 March as New Year's Day].
>>
>> Similarly, the usual equinox on 21 March within the Gregorian year 1996
as
>1
>> Nissan, 5756 also commences a reprise cycle of the 19 year lunar cycle.
>> Where each 19 year lunar cycle consists of 12 years x 12 lunar months
each
>> and 7 years x 13 lunar months each for a total of 235 lunar months. Of
the
>> 19 year cycle, years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, 19 are considered to be leap
>years
>> of 13 months each. And to which a 30 day month known as Adar I, is
>inserted
>> immediately after the Hebrew month of Sh'vat {ie. the Hebrew year 5757
/
>19
>> = 303 is thus a lunar leap year} in the February/March {ie. 1997}
period
>of
>> the Gregorian calendar year following.
>>
>> Thus if the equation Telos {122J3W1D} = Arch {0} + c² representing the
>> decade sequence, is then further synchronized with a topical year/day
>solar
>> eclipse occurring relative to the solar 4 leap year and lunar 19 leap
year
>> cycle:
>>
>> 1997/5757 {Wednesday},
>> 1998/5758 {Thursday},
>> 1999/5759 {Friday},
>> 2000/5760 {Saturday} + Solar Eclipse Monday 25 December, 2000 + 6 days
of
>> the Topical {365.242198781} Year.
>>
>> 21 March 2015 {1 Nissan, 5775 = Reprise of 19 year lunar cycle}
>> 21 March 2034 {1 Nissan, 5794 = Reprise of 19 year lunar cycle}
>>
>> Of particular interest is Australia's 28 year Geodesic Total Solar
>Eclipses
>> for: 4 December, 2002 and 25 November, 2030.
>>
>> - dolf
>> - <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/rudolph.html>
>>
>> "Richard Franing" <rfraning@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:408c837b.0403161933.269ed974@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> A TRILOGY ON METAPHYSICS AND THE HUMAN SOUL
>>            (Dedicated to the Honor and the Glory of God)
>>             --------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>              A SHORT TREATISE ON THE REALITY OF GOD
>>
>>
>> God is the ultimate reality. He has spun the universes into existence
>> and has created all other beings. As humans, we too had our beginning
>> from God. Like Plato and Socrates, I believe that we pre-existed in a
>> spiritual realm prior to being born into this world. Unfortunately the
>> church fathers, with the exceptions of Origen and Augustine, rejected
>> this view as an overreaction to the heresies of gnosticism and
>> neoplatonism that threatened to subvert the Gospel. How do I know of
>> this pre-existence? I have very faint memories of a spiritual
>> existence before being born into this world. My children spoke of this
>> of this existence when they were small. I have heard of other 2-4 year
>> old children being able to talk of their own pre-existence in the
>> spiritual realm prior to their earthly birth, when carefully
>> questioned about it. One couple I know of had three boys who each
>> spoke of having been with God and the angels prior to birth without
>> any prompting from their parents when they were small. Evidently as
>> people age and develop, these memories are overlaid with countless
>> earthly memories and are largely forgotten.
>>   One may ask why are we here and forced to leave that spiritual
>> realm. I believe that the answer lies in the fall of Lucifer from
>> Heaven along with a third of the angels. It is my own belief that
>> human spirits were originally intended to be part of Lucifer's cadre
>> in the spiritual realm. Once Lucifer fell, there was no further need
>> for our existence in the spiritual realm, since we had been created to
>> serve Lucifer in carrying out his heavenly responsibilities. Lucifer's
>> disobedience led to our own eventual banishment from Heaven, even
>> though we were not involved in his revolt against God. God in His
>> infinite mercy has brought us to this world to perfect our redemption.
>> He is bound by His own spiritual laws in the eternal realm, but at the
>> tem****al level, He can rewrite our destiny through His plan for our
>> redemption. Had not Adam and Eve disobeyed God, this plan would have
>> been much simpler and salvation would have been universal for all
>> mankind. When that couple listened to Lucifer rather than obey God,
>> suddenly salvation became much more difficult. Man had chosen sides
>> and was no longer just an innocent bystander thus bringing
>> condemnation on all mankind who was to be born on earth from that time
>> forward.
>>   Man himself had sinned against God and lost his op****tunity for an
>> easier salvation. To put it in the vernacular, man really blew it. Now
>> man's disobedience had to dealt with in a manner satisfying God,
>> fulfilling the new parameters now required for our salvation and
>> permit our return to the spiritual realm (Heaven) after leaving this
>> earthly sojourn. Christ, the second person of the Godhead, came to
>> earth in the form of a man to die a sacrificial death for our
>> redemption so that by believing in Him and on His death, we can be
>> redeemed and made new spiritual beings fit for His kingdom. Through
>> Christ, the Holy Spirit creates us anew and we are reshaped into His
>> image, no longer designed to follow after Lucifer and his entourage.
>>   Praise be to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for their gift of
>> salvation through the Son's loving sacrifice of Himself on the cross,
>> the Father's willingness to send Him and the Spirit's perseverance in
>> causing us to believe.
>>   Some have a difficult time grasping the concept of the Trinity. The
>> Trinity is the three distinct, separate, yet simultaneously occurring
>> dynamic states in which God exists and through which He expresses
>> Himself. It may be easier to understand the Trinity by the functions
>> they perform. The Father is the Creator of His creation. The Son
>> controls the interface relation****p between the Creator and His
>> creation. The Holy Spirit permeates the creation carrying out the will
>> of the Father and the Son.
>>   Others may ask how does God create worlds and universes, i.e. this
>> tem****al existence. I believe the new physics gives us an insight into
>> God's methods. The big bang which began our universe was caused by a
>> large quantum fluctuation. These fluctuations are believed by some
>> cosmologists to be power spikes in a tremendous quantum field of
>> incredible intensity. Since there are undoubtedly many of these power
>> spikes, and at the top of each powerful enough spike is a created
>> universe, there are probably many overlapping sister universes to our
>> universe in existence at this very moment. They are separated from
>> each other only by the different quantum time value that each universe
>> possesses. Thus we can not see or sense them nor can they see or sense
>> us. You may ask how does God fit into the overall scheme of these
>> things. I truly believe that the energy that creates and drives this
>> quantum field issues forth from the mind of God even as He speaks the
>> Word. The beauty of God and His methods is that while we may seem far
>> removed from where God is, He is only a prayer away. He loves us and
>> cares for us, who believe on His dear Son, and longs that all mankind
>> will come to a saving faith in His beloved Son; but God wants our love
>> freely given and not given through coercion. He gives us His Holy
>> Spirit to guide us and lead us into paths of righteousness for His
>> namesake. All that is required of us is simple faith in our living
>> Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
>>   I look forward to the day that I return to the spiritual realm from
>> which we have come and can wor****p, adore, praise and glorify Him
>> forever. Our Lord made a way back where there was no way, so that we
>> may dwell with Him and enjoy Him forever. Praise be to God that He has
>> not left us nor forsaken us, but through His death established His
>> plan for our salvation when we come to believe on His shed blood.
>> Hallelujah, God is truly great and greatly to be wor****ped in spirit
>> and truth.
>>
>>
>>                                           In awe of the Living God,
>>                                              Richard E. Franing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                       AN INTERPRETATION OF GENESIS ONE
>>
>>
>>   I've decided to take a shot at this one, so you folks need to get
>> the stake ready along with the rope, wood and matches because I'm
>> about to reveal my pet theory concerning the first chapter of Genesis.
>> In second Peter 3:8, we find the following in the RSV version: "But do
>> not ignore this fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a
>> thousand years and a thousand years is as one day." This is a way of
>> saying that God is the creator and ruler of time as well as every
>> thing else in this universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion
>> years can be as one day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to
>> be, since He is beyond time. With that in mind, lets move into
>> Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I
>> think that this represents the start of our universe. The heavens
>> representing space and the earth representing matter. The earth being
>> without form and void and the Spirit of God hovered above the waters.
>> The matter had not coalesced together sufficiently to form large
>> physical bodies in space, but had coalesced enough that internal heat
>> within the matter was driving off water va**** that may have condensed
>> on the surface of that matter. Then God said let there be light. This
>> was beginning of nuclear fusion in our universe, along with planet
>> building. Where the light hit these protoplanets, there was day and on
>> the backside of these bodies was night just as God had commanded.
>> Obviously it took billions of our years for our universe to reach this
>> stage, but to God that is little more than a blink of the eye.
>>   God called this time the first day. The morning and the evening
>> being whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to
>> be. I think it highly unlikely He is saying an Earthday at this point
>> because our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur
>> until the fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into
>> the seas and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar
>> systems had cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing
>> instead of one big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from
>> their surfaces upward. This probably took millions of years to occur.
>> During this day God formed the land surfaces upon these planets. Again
>> in God's time there could have been another blink of His spiritual
>> eyes. Evening could be when He closes His eyes and the morning when He
>> opens them again. So ended the second day. (I can see that you folks
>> have erected the stake and gathered the firewood. You're having a
>> cookout! Right?). On the third day, God brought forth vegetation.
>> There have probably been many planets within our universe in times
>> past and yet today that have some forms of life upon them. This is
>> God's universe, along with any others, and He can do with them
>> whatever He so desires. Who are we to limit Him to only caring about
>> what happens on our dinky little planet, as im****tant as it is to us?
>> Don't get me wrong, God does care about us and this Earth, but We are
>> not His only responsibility. Again God blinks His eyes and another day
>> is over in His book, even though more millions of Earth type years may
>> have elapsed.
>>   On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the
>> planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is
>> referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is
>> not yet talking in Earthdays when He speaks. We tend to limit God into
>> our way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we
>> could ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth
>> in this time frame. This "day" must have been several billion Earth
>> years long. It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this
>> creating, because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying
>> to keep up with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone
>> those that everyone else bring to Him in prayer.
>>   On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in
>> existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This
>> time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you
>> can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to
>> bring this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired
>> and God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing.
>> Truly we have a great and awe inspiring God.
>>   On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the
>> road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an
>> evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You
>> bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along
>> later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at
>> all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with
>> God about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be
>> good. Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that
>> work of creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did
>> not last even two Earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so
>> much that He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on.
>>   Getting back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a
>> spirit bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and
>> breathed life into Him because God had created him for a special
>> purpose. Adam was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had
>> caused him to sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was
>> perfect. These two were to be the first of mankind to enter into this
>> world with a God created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a
>> soul, but no spirit indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that
>> the fall of Lucifer from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day.
>> This I have reason to believe: that spirits of men are leftover
>> remnants from the old order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer
>> launched his revolt against God. As beings who did not take part in
>> that revolt, but nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not
>> remain in Heaven in our old form. We have to be transformed into new
>> creatures before we are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose
>> of our earthly existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the
>> angels were going to revolt against him. He also had originally
>> created us as subangelic beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his
>> heavenly responsibilities, before Lucifer got the big head and decided
>> to try to take over God's position. I wonder if that happened while
>> God was on vacation during the seventh day. It would be just like old
>> Lucifer to try something like that.
>>   Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see
>> Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then
>> spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could
>> not do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own
>> eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a tem****al level to
>> accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place
>> to accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits
>> into men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created
>> spirit (see Hebrews 4:12). Adam was the first of these spirit souled
>> men. Had he not disobeyed God, he would have been permitted to
>> eventually eat of the tree of life and been transformed into an
>> eternal creature, with rights to dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve
>> were a special test case. God knew that if they failed the test, then
>> all men from that point on would fail this test. They were cast out of
>> the Garden and forced to live among the other existing humans. From
>> that time on all human beings have had a spirit bearing soul. How long
>> will this go on? Probably until heaven is emptied of its condemned
>> subangelic spirits or until the church on Earth becomes so decadent
>> that so few are getting saved and transformed thru faith in the shed
>> blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, that there is no purpose in continuing
>> the process. This why spirit bearing souls should not be aborted and
>> the Gospel must be preached with great fervor everywhere on Earth.
>> This is our one and only chance to be able to dwell with God forever.
>> We pass this way but once and each spirit bearing soul gets only one
>> chance. There is no reincarnation. We must not rob ourselves or future
>> generations of this sole op****tunity for salvation. Once Adam failed,
>> only the new Adam (Jesus Christ) could salvage the situation for us.
>> He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He who has Christ has eternal
>> life and this life is in God's only begotten Son.
>>   I have presented this theory, not as an absolute truth, but as an
>> attempt to bridge the difference between fact and faith. Many people
>> choose to ignore the physical facts around us or to twist them to
>> agree with their particular interpretation of God's Word. Likewise too
>> many people ignore the Scriptures in a vain attempt to arrive at the
>> facts. God does not lie nor do the facts lie, and ultimately they are
>> saying the same thing. (So why are you folks grabbing me, not the
>> stake. Oh well, let the flames begin. (Arrrgh!!!)
>>
>>
>> Thoughtfully yours in Christ Jesus,
>> Dick Franing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                    A SHORT TREATISE ON ORIGINAL SIN
>>
>>
>>   The Lord God took man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it
>> and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "You may
>> freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the
>> knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you
>> eat of it you shall die."
>>   But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. For God knows
>> that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like
>> God, knowing good and evil."  .....she took of its fruit and ate; and
>> she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. Then the eyes of both
>> were opened, and they knew that they were ****d. .....
>>   Then the Lord God said, "Behold the man has become like one of us,
>> knowing good and evil; and now lest he put forth his hand and take
>> also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"---therefore the
>> Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground
>> from which he was taken. He drove out the man: and at the east of the
>> garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which
>> turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
>>        (excerpts from the Book of Genesis, Chapters 2 and 3)
>>
>>
>>   How often has man pondered these words throughout the ensuing
>> centuries and speculated as to their exact meaning. Some say that it
>> was an actual fruit such as an apple, some look at it as being an
>> abstract historical event, some think of it as a crisis of the spirit
>> that man experienced, while others think that these verses represent a
>> supernatural experience that Adam and Eve had. Some people think that
>> it represents some form or type of superior knowledge. Still others
>> think of it as a mythical story told to explain how sin began. None of
>> these concepts are comprehensive enough to adequately explain the true
>> nature of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
>>   I fear that I now know the meaning of these verses. The tree of this
>> knowledge lies deep within the soul of man. It is what the Christian
>> teacher Watchman Nee refers to as "the latent power of the soul". So
>> what is this latent power that lies hidden deep within the inner
>> recesses of man's soul? I believe that it is a type of angelic power,
>> which might be better thought of as Adamic power.
>>   Man is a sub-angelic being who is endowed with a certain degree of
>> latent angelic capability. Man is not an angel, but man may be
>> distantly related to the angels in some manner. Under certain
>> cir***stances, the latent angelic capability of a relatively few
>> number of people can become momentarily activated for short periods of
>> time. Probably at least 99% of the human race never experiences any of
>> this activation and thus are totally oblivious to the existence of the
>> latent angelic capability within themselves.
>>   Activation of this capability primarily occurs during spiritual
>> dreams while asleep. The person begins a troubled dream while in a
>> deep sleep, then slips into a state of spiritual dreaming through
>> which the person can tem****arily enter into the angelic mode. While in
>> this tem****ary angelic mode, the person is able to direct the course
>> of future events, depending what the subject of spiritual dream is. If
>> the person exercises his angelic powers in concert with the direction
>> of the Holy Spirit of God, the results will be good and beneficial. If
>> the person exercises his angelic powers in a unilateral manner, then
>> the results will inevitably be evil. The person acting in a unilateral
>> way is trying to play God by usurping God's authority in total
>> disregard to God's will. This is the reason why Adam and Eve fell in
>> the garden. As a result, they were stripped of their innocence and
>> left ****d before the Lord. It appears that the ability to be
>> activated runs in certain families. It may also be that this ability
>> may skip generations within a family, as well as individuals within an
>> active generation. My father's mother was an angelically active
>> person, but my father never experienced activation as I have.
>>   In honesty, I must admit that I have exercised this angelic power
>> both ways in the past, for the good of mankind when exercised in
>> concert with the Holy Spirit and to the detriment of man when I
>> exercised it unilaterally. This was largely done in ignorance before I
>> realized what the exact nature of this power was and how capricious
>> this Adamic power can be. It has a Jekyll and Hyde quality about it
>> and must be exercised with extreme caution and then only under the
>> guidance of the Holy Spirit. Adam was warned about this danger, but he
>> chose to disregard God's warning. When God told Adam not to eat of
>> that tree, He was telling him not to exercise his angelic capability
>> because it would cause him fail the test and all future mankind with
>> him. After man's fall in the Garden, this capability became latent.
>> Because Adam sinned, he was not permitted to eat of the tree of life.
>> The way of the tree of life would have to be personified in the Way,
>> the Truth and the Life in order for man to have that op****tunity again
>> to gain eternal life and that life is in God's only begotten son, our
>> Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
>>   My experience with this phenomenon is that it begins in earnest
>> during the early teen years, reaches its peak about 30-35 years of age
>> and then slowly declines until it reaches a point of near cessation
>> during one's lower fifties. The time of greatest power during a
>> person's early thirties is also the time of greatest danger because it
>> when the greatest extremes of good and evil are possible. Momentary
>> angelity can a potent stealth weapon if used unwisely. Following one's
>> spiritual instincts can indeed be dangerous, thus the person must stay
>> close to God and be clothed in His righteousness. The old testament
>> and book of Acts states that the young men shall see visions and the
>> old men shall dream dreams. In those days, an old man could be any man
>> past the age of thirty because life expectancy was not very long in
>> those days. I have experienced these visions and dreams in the past.
>> The visions are basically learning experiences while the dreams are
>> basically doing experiences.
>>   Adam lost any chance to gain access to the tree of life in the
>> garden when he disobeyed God, thereby losing the op****tunity for
>> eternal life with God in heaven. As children of Adam, we also share
>> that lost op****tunity, but God in his great mercy has created another
>> way for us to obtain eternal life with Him. God sent his Son, the Lord
>> Jesus Christ, to die and shed his blood to free us from the first
>> Adam's curse and our own sin. Through faith in the Lord Jesus we are
>> born anew into God's family and receive the promise of the Father that
>> we will stand faultless before the throne at the day of judgement. We
>> are no longer children of disobedience, but we are now children of God
>> fit for His kingdom. All that is required of us is simple faith in the
>> Lord Jesus and His sacrificial death on the cross, and to open our
>> hearts and minds to the working of the Holy Spirit of God.
>>   Man tries his own methods of attempting to tap into this latent
>> angelic capability that some are vaguely aware of within themselves.
>> Some gnostics, certain psychics, many new agers, kundalini yogis,
>> certain mediums and supernaturalists of various kinds are trying in
>> their own way to regain the power that Adam and Eve possessed, abused
>> and subsequently lost during the fall. Little do they realize that
>> they are playing with spiritual dynamite. A few people may try to
>> regain this Adamic power with an intent of somehow attaining angelic
>> status which they think might give them access to the tree of life.
>> God has blocked this route with his cherubim and flaming sword. They
>> would be far better off to seek the Lord Jesus Christ and His
>> righteousness as the path to eternal life. Having experienced this
>> Adamic power first hand, I am well acquainted with good and evil even
>> as Adam was. I thank God that Christ is my refuge, that in Him I find
>> forgiveness through faith in His shed blood and that He sets my feet
>> on the path of righteousness for His name's sake. Truly He is the Way,
>> the Truth and the Life. Praise be to God for His everlasting grace,
>> love and mercy.
>>
>>
>>                                         Under the Blood of Jesus,
>>
>>                                                      Richard E.
>> Franing
>>
>>
>>
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Scott Sanford   2004-03-18 12:54:52 
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