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Re: Unintelligent Design

by William Morse <wdmorse@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 1, 2005 at 02:14 AM

ianparker2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> The main argument against Evolution is the failure to produce AI.
> Intelligence has proved too complex to be generated in a random way and
> too complex even for us to understand.
> 
> Evolution isn't just a biological concept, it, in the shape of Genetic
> Algotithms, is a mathematical and computational concept. Ee can now ask
> the question as to whether Evolution could have occured randomly. My
> own investigations cast doubt on whether scientists really believe in
> random evolution.
> 
> An army of PhDs is working on AI. They are all working on specific
> projects in weak AI. No respectable peer group believes either in
> strong AI, or that the route to objectives in weak AI is through
> Genetic Algorithms.

This is of course an argument in favor of evolution -  intelligence can 
obviously not be produced by design, since all these PhD's can not 
produce even weak AI by design. 


 
> If Intelligence is the result of random mutations it follows that
> strong AI could be produced on a grid or a BOINC by an analogous
> process. Who believes thiis in the sense of being prepared to put their
> money where their mouth is.

Since current computational devices are several orders of magnitude less 
complex than human brains, I fail to see why one should expect them to 
exhibit intelligence on a human level. I would expect them to be able to 
exhibit intelligence on the level of an ant (with enough millions of 
iterations) - and I think that current algorithms are roughly in this 
category, albeit with little of the robustness exhibited by evolved vs. 
designed systems. 

 
> I also feel that by not proposing alternatives to Darwinism a dangerous
> myth is created. The myth that Evolution is a mathematically efficient
> process. Evolutionalists are saying that Evolution is better than what
> the army of PhDs is doing. I feel that the priority should be the
> teaching of good Numerical Analysis, that is if your priority is
> keeping up with China and India in the scientific stakes.

I am unaware that anyone has argued that evolution is a mathematically 
efficient process. And if you want to teach good Numerical Analysis you 
would be hard pressed to find a better example than Fisher.

Yours,

Bill Morse
 




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Dan Clore <clore@[EMAI  2005-05-26 02:03:38 
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ianparker2@[EMAIL PROTECT  2005-05-26 05:01:09 
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"Danny Kodicek"  2005-05-26 12:37:25 
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"Misleart Chuff"  2005-05-26 13:56:04 
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ianparker2@[EMAIL PROTECT  2005-05-26 07:55:22 
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"Robert J. Kolker&qu  2005-05-26 13:07:03 
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"Danny Kodicek"  2005-05-26 19:15:55 
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"Robert J. Kolker&qu  2005-05-26 13:02:04 
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Paul J Gans <gans@[EMA  2005-05-26 17:48:50 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2005-05-26 16:53:39 
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"Boikat" <bo  2005-05-29 10:24:27 
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"Robert J. Kolker&qu  2005-05-29 12:36:44 
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"Sour Clayton and Ch  2005-05-30 08:44:53 
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William Morse <wdmorse  2005-06-01 02:14:27 
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"fermigas" <  2005-06-05 15:36:54 
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MarkA <manthony@[EMAIL  2005-05-26 13:38:40 

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