Re: Creationists Don't Like Other Sciences, Either

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>, Luminoso 
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>On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:41:13 +0000, Ernest Major
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>>In message <45b4af4c.2848812@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Luminoso
>><luminoso@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:01:38 GMT, Mark Isaak <eciton@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>wrote:
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>>>>On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:15:31 +0000, Luminoso wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>    In any event, DO be very
>>>>>    suspicious of anyones long-term climate models.
>>>>
>>>>How about *everyone's* long-term climate models?  Climatologists are
>>>>already more suspicious than you are.  That is why they test their
models
>>>>in various ways, including using various models.  The models disagree
on
>>>>various things, but they agree on others.  Agreement from multiple
>>>>competent independent sources gives great confidence.
>>>>
>>>>>    Climate is
>>>>>    a VERY complex and chaotic thing and even small errors or
>>>>>    omissions in the model grow larger with every iteration and
>>>>>    yeild something with the look and feel of 'science' and
>>>>>    truth but none of the substance.
>>>>
>>>>You are talking about weather, not climate.
>>>
>>>   "Climate" is what you get when you string many years
>>>   of "weather" together ...
>>
>>You were still talking about weather, not climate. Climate is much more
>>predictable that weather.
>
>   If you can't predict the weather you can't predict
>   the climate since 'climate' is composed of hundreds,
>   thousands, millions of serial 'weather' events.

How accurately can you predict the daily maximum temperature for July 
4th? How accurately can you predict the mean daily maximum temperature 
for the month of July? How accurately can you predict the mean daily 
maximum temperature for the year as a whole.

How accurately can you predict the daily rainfall for Christmas Eve? How 
accurately can you predict the monthly rainfall for the month of 
December? How accurately can you predict the annual rainfall?

Or to consider a different field. You can't predict when a U238 atom 
will decay. You can predict fairly accurately how many atoms will decay 
in a particular time.

Contrary to your claim, an inability to make accurate statements about 
individual items, does not necessarily equate to an inability to make 
accurate statements about ensembles.
>
>   You're saying that it's OK to make a thousand wrong turns
>   on your way to grandmothers house because you'll somehow
>   wind up at her doorstep regardless.
>
You do love your strawmen.

>>>>But, for the moment, forget the models and look at actual changes.  We
>>>>know, from archaeology, that rapid changes in climate destroy
ecosystems
>>>>and people with them.  And now you are encouraging rapid changes in
>>>>climate.  Do you hate mankind that much?
>>>
>>>   When I think of what we'd REALLY have to do in order
>>>   to maintain the planet as some kind of pristine
>>>   unchanging behind-glass nature park - it's YOU that
>>>   must hate mankind.
>>>
>>You do love your strawmen.
>
>
>   Straw ? Is THAT what you plan to build your eco-hovel
>   out of ? Didn't you ever read the tale of the three
>   little pigs ?  :-)
>
You do love your strawmen.
-- 
alias Ernest Major