Re: Creationists Don't Like Other Sciences, Either

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:44:20 -0000, bobg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Robert Grumbine)
wrote:

>In article <45b5f9ab.1328296@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>Luminoso <luminoso@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:03:27 -0500, HiEv <spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
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>
>>   Google the phrase "Dust Bowl" - and note that it's pre-SUV.
>>   Google the phrase "Northwest Passage" and note that one was
>>   wide open about a century ago ... and then froze-up solid
>>   once again. 
>
>  Oh, right, your misreading of that.  If a scientist says
>that 'this is the first time in over 100 years', it very
>likely means that there are only 100 years of data.

   You wish ... people have been probing for a northwest
   passage since the 1500s. There was a PBS do***entary
   on just last week about a mission in 185? that ended
   rather badly. I've heard the British navy has that
   cannibalism problem almost under control now ... 

   The facts are that around 1900 there was a big melt-back
   of arctic ice and it was possible to get around the northern
   shores of Canada and Russia. A few years later things got
   colder again and the passage closed. Now it's open again
   and every chicken-little greenie is screaming and moaning
   like it's never happened before. 

>It does
>not necessarily mean that the event did happen 101 years ago.
>Scientists, unlike you, don't like making statements beyond
>where they have data.

   There's tons of data about the arctic. It's been a pet
   obsession of many nations for centuries. Everyone was
   always trying to reach the pole or cross the ice or
   whatever. Admiral Byrd was smart enough to fly there
   instead of walk. Like antarctica, it's one of those
   'last frontier' areas that spark the imagination and
   there's centuries of both navigational, biological
   and geological data. 

   We've got the Goog nowdays, start finding archives.

   Here's a book :

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Mapped-Arctic-Lieutenant/dp/1551927136
   Data about Italian missions :
   http://www.polarnet.cnr.it/artico/oldage.html
   Something from the Polar Research Forum :
   http://members.tripod.com/90north/firstatnorthpole.htm

   There, that took a whole five seconds ... 

   Before you tell me there's no data, FIND OUT first.

>>   It's been getting warmer for the past 20,000 years. This
>>   trend seems likely to continue. We'll see forward spurts,
>>   and retreats mixed with the slow general trend. Another
>>   "little ice age" (google it) could start- tomorrow, or not.
>>   Hell, I remember dire warnings of an impending ice age
>>   during the 1970s by "credible climatologists". 
>
>  So many errors, so little space.  For some sources on
>the myth about there having been 'credible climatologists'
>bewailing the 1970s impending ice age, see:
>  http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94
>and the more detailed original:
>  http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/

   Hey, I remember the 'impending ice age' clearly.
   There was even hype on the big three national news
   services. Buffalo buried in snow ! Ice lingering
   longer each year ! Doom !!! 

   Not.