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Re: Get Out Of Iraq

by V <vfr44@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 26, 2008 at 07:05 AM

On Apr 25, 4:56=A0am, HVAC <MR.H...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> And go into Iran.
>
> WA****NGTON =97 =A0The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly
made=

> Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to conclude Tehran
> is continuing to funnel armaments into Iraq despite its pledges to the
> contrary, the Wall Street Journal re****ted Friday.
>
> Officials in Wa****ngton and Baghdad said the pur****ted Iranian
> mortars, rockets and explosives had date stamps indicating they were
> manufactured in the past two months. The U.S. plans to publicize the
> weapons caches in coming days. A pair of senior commanders said a
> presentation was tentatively planned for Monday, the paper re****ted.
>
> "You can see the manufacturing dates right on the armaments
> themselves," one senior commander in Baghdad said. "These are very
> clearly weapons that were made in the last month or so."
>
> The allegations, which couldn't be independently verified, mark a
> further hardening of U.S. rhetoric on Iran, which senior American
> officials now describe as the greatest long-term threat to Iraq.
>
> Iran has long denied that its government knowingly funneled weapons
> into Iraq or trained ****ite militants there. It has derided the U.S.
> claims as propaganda. Several senior U.S. military officials said the
> weapons caches would undercut the Iranian denials and provide new
> evidence of continuing Iranian sup****t for ****ite militants across
> Iraq.






















War stinks.

But we are in a new era of human life.

We are entering the post crude phase of our existence and we will see
much more turmoil in the near future than just the few killings that
have come our of our current war effort.

You see, we will be at war over crude until the last buckets have been
sucked from the earth...so get used to it.

As we would leave the Middle East...China or Russia would step in.

See:

http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-Introduction/dp/08050=
55762

China has triple our pop and a fraction of our oil reserves within its
borders.

So either we play bodyguard to the Middle East or China or Russia
will.

You like typing on the 'puter don't you?

Well, without the crude to make the diesel to power the train that
brings the coal to the power plant you would not be typing on the
'puter.

But that is not all.

We are entering an era of peak natural gas, peak water, peak food,
peak uranium. So many areas of new conflict are in our future.

Carving up a barrel of crude oil, we can see that barrel supplies many
of our necessities of life.

Out of each barrel of crude we make the following products:

42% of each barrel of crude is used for Gasoline

21% Fuel oil - Diesel

8%  Jet Fuel and Kerosene

8% Petrochemicals

Such as....

Solvents Bearing Grease Vaseline Ink Floor Wax Ball-point Pens
Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires
S****ts Car Bodies Nail Polish Fi****ng lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags
Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet
Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers
Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap
Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone
Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life
Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs
Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops
Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair
Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fi****ng Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive
Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood
Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fi****ng Boots
Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion
Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Gl***** Antifreeze Football
Helmets Awnings Eyegl***** Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs
Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents Va****izers Balloons Sun Gl*****
Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes
Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures
Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft
Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream
Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste

6% Propane

4% Heating Oil

3% Asphalt and Road oil

2% Petroleum coke

1% Lubricants

All these products will be history someday.

Have you ever thought about how much of our life is dependent on
natural gas for cooking, heating and hot water?

How many of our homes are set up for efficient heating with natural
methods such as wood, pellet, passive solar?

We will run out of natural gas, just as we deplete our crude supplies
in the near future.

http://www.amazon.com/High-Noon-Natural-Gas-Energy/dp/1931498539

Natural gas is a raw material in many of our products we depend on.

Almost all the helium we produce comes from natural gas.

Propane, synthetic fertilizers, ammonia?

They are totally dependent on natural gas.

Our population boom was fueled by synthetic fertilizers made from
natural; gas. Once the gas dries up so does the fertilizer and a
shortage of fertilizer equals a shortage of food.

Natural; gas is also used as an energy source to produce steel, glass,
paper, clothing, brick, electricity

http://www.enotes.com/how-products-encyclopedia/natural-gas

http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/icm/2003/4-14-2003/natgasn.html

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/naturalgas.htm=
l#WHATITISUSEDFOR

You still have some valuable time left to prepare for what awaits you
down the road.

We are in the 'Indian Summer' of a carbon based world. Don't wait
until the winter sets in to start work on your preparedness efforts.

We can't depend on the President to come clean with the public. All
his energies are spent just trying to keep the oil flowing. He can't
admit that the oil will stop in the not so distant future, no matter
what we do. It is a problem beyond his as well as all of our control.

As they say in 12 Step programs - admitting you have a problem is step
1. And our country cannot admit it, after all, admitting this problem
would raise hell with our retirement funds. And until we can admit it,
we cannot begin on our long road to a 'semblance' of recovery.

And in the big picture, we can't fix the problem, we can only postpone
the inevitable. But buying a little more time would make things much
more livable in the not so distant future than the current path we are
headed in.

The world is in a death spiral and politicians as well as industry are
pretending this problem does not exist. We can only blame ourselves,
for it is just how we have built our world over the years....too many
people, living outside of natures intended balance and not an infinite
supply of energy to fuel all our demands.

It would be one thing if we all reverted back to rural living, burning
trees for fuel and housing and living within our comfortable means
allotted to us by nature, as our ancestors did back in the day. But
ten billion people can't burn the trees! (Ten billion people is a
conservative estimate of world population in the not so distant
future. We are at 7 people billion now.)

The World Coal Institute estimates world energy reserves as follows:

"At current production levels coal will be available for at least the
next 155 years compared to 41 years for oil and 65 years for gas."

http://www.worldcoal.org/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=3D21

Even though this was written a few years ago and it is based on
'current production and consumption' it gives the same haunting
message to the generations to come.

We may not exactly see the end of our free flowing energy as we know
it - but some of our descendants will in the not so distant future.
This is the legacy they will inherit from us. But before the energy
dries up completely massive changes in our world will have taken
place.

Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no
return for sup****ting a sustainable human population as we know it
today when it comes to their energy demands.

And leading the pack of over consumers is the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption

Consumption is ingrained in us and we know no other way. And even if
we wished to amend our ways, how could all our retirement funds take
the hit? America is built on borrowed money, spending and consumerism.

And what does all that consumerism lead to?

It leads to the mess we are in now and the bigger mess the world will
be in once India and China pick up momentum to copycat the envious
lifestyle that they have held in high esteem as the 'American Dream'

You see, the problem is not with the earth having enough land for all
its people - the problem is with earth providing ad infinitum for all
the needs the people crave.

The more people born, the more heat is produced from their life and
all their cravings, As such, the warmer and more polluted the earth
gets and the more energy they all use and the earths resources are
depleted.

Fueling the problem of consumption is the games the Federal and World
banks play with interest rates. They manage the economies in ways to
fuel consumption and mask the real trend. Witness the recent cries for
Federal bankers to lower interest rates...so the stock market can go
up...fueled by spending of the consumer.

It is drug habit that Greenspan got us hooked on and we just can't get
away from.

Our economy is not based on sustainable health - it is based low
interest credit to encourage compulsive spending, debt and living a
life of constant consumption with a 'disposable mentality' when it
comes to durable goods.

All this consumption to artificially fuel our economy to make our
retirement funds only go up contributes to more and more global
warming and the depletion of our natural resources. Then the
governments juggle the numbers to make the inflation figures seem
artificially low, so everyone's retirement ****tfolio will make them
happy so they will continue to buy and consume more...and on it
goes....IT IS ALL WE KNOW

You see, no other animal destroys its environment except mankind. We
are the only ones that do not accept and live within our comfortable
means. We not only debt with our finances we debt with our
environment. What we are borrowing in terms of petroleum, coal and
natural gas takes millions of years for nature to make. Yet we are
using it all up in just a few hundred years...we can never pay it
back.

I think our countries future will be....'America...a Democratic,
Communist Nation Under God.'

And maybe I am using the wrong word with communism? Maybe it should be
Nationalism? Socialism? I don't know since I have little interest in
politics.

As far for what I means, it could be compared somewhat to Plato's
Republic. Where the republic came first and people came second. But
with the US, the injection of Democratic values as well as a spiritual
foundation that sup****ts our country would 'hopefully' separate us
from the atheist based communists that have been run as
dictator****ps.

Without energy our country is open for takeover ... no jets...no
tanks...no trans****t on the ground or in the air. Luckily we will
still have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers as long as
the uranium holds out. But the jets on the flattop all use jet fuel.
All the supplies for those subs and carriers petroleum dependent. So
long before the crude dries up the government must 'secure a supply'
of crude for it own needs.

Other countries such as Russia that have a good supply of crude may
not be so kind to keep on selling it to us and we need a 'local and
continual' source somewhat within our borders. You see, jet fuel as
well as gasoline deteriorates and cannot be stored indefinitely. So we
must always be producing some of it to replace the stale stuff to
supply the military. But, that's why we elect politicians to deal with
these troubles

As our world changes and our drug supply dries up, things will only
get worse. And the bigger the city - the bigger the hellhole it will
become. And this time RIGHT NOW is the defining moment as to whether
most of our population will die off or not in the crisis that awaits
us in the not so distant future.

When it comes to the future, I see people living in miniature houses
(the lucky ones that survive that is, after all most of the population
died off long ago from starvation, freezing to death or from the
riots) with roofs ****ngled completely with solar material.

They drive up to their house on an electric scooter that is recharged
from their solar roof. If they are higher up the totem pole they may
have a solar golf cart. But in either case, luck must still be on
their side for without the sun ****nning to charge it, their
trans****tation sits idle. (Not much lead left to build big
batteries...China gobbled it all up, so we have to make due with very
small storage cells.)

They work for the government and in exchange the government feeds and
clothes them from their warehouses. You see, we have become a sort of
'Communist Democracy' for without that bold leap and a desire 'to put
our country first' Russia or China would have stepped in to acquire
some new real estate.

The warehouses are fed from government owned coal fired steam
locomotives. Diesel dried up long ago, so it was either wood or coal
to fuel the trains. It did not take our government long to realize
this. the electric plants only had to shut down s****adically for 8
months so until they could build the first of a large fleet of steam
locomotives.

This was a 'slight' government oversight. They never figured that the
coal fired power plants were fed with 'diesel powered' locomotives.
They kept concentrated on the prediction that we had a hundred of
years of coal left, but were oblivious as to how that coal is
delivered to the power plant. But all these changes have some bright
spots in them. As the coal producers were able to hire many more
workers to manually mine coal, as the diesel powered mining equipment
sit idle from lack of diesel fuel.

Now some of the states or bigger cities had the foresight to build one
or two electric rail trolleys for public trans****t. Your only problem
is getting to the main road to catch the trolley and then it is a
straight ride to the government warehouse.

What happened to Private industry & Money?

Money is nothing more than stored energy. But since the crude dried
up, the 'real energy' behind the money has vanished...and so did
private industry. What about the coal mines...all government owned. If
you want to eat you work..it is that simple.

So, what is money good for nowadays...to wipe your ass?

Not really, the government supplied toilet paper works better than
that.

Martha Stewart syndrome died out long ago, now people are happy to eat
rice and beans and get a clean glass of water to drink.

After all, the government can't afford to fool around decorating
everyone's house, they can hardly produce enough food to keep a
fraction of the population alive. Yes, tractors, reapers and farming
is very crude intensive...but no one bothered to think about that as
they continued to squander the worlds petroleum resources.

On a positive note, since most of the population died off from
'natural causes', the government does not have to worry about passing
'population control' any longer. They tried to get that universally
opposed program passed for many years, but the public just would not
go for it...too UN-American...goes against our religious
upbringings...too controversial and all of the rest. We can still hear
the cries now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby
Killer....Hitler....Impeach the President!!!!

Such objections are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
As such, all problems related to 'controversial subjects' such as this
are problems created in the mind...the mind of ego based, prejudicial
man. If you find yourself being distracted with such thoughts as 'too
controversial' just ask yourself if the proposed controversy is true,
false or I don't know?

This introspective method may help you become truth based and not ego
based. You will have made a 'choice divorced of need'...you wont 'need
your ego' to sup****t the truth...the truth will be able to stand on
its own.

But nature helped us humans out with that hard decision - for nature
does not discriminate nor find the truth too controversial or
provocative or opinionated to be true. And in the end, nature settled
the dispute of population control with even handed justice of 75% of
our population dying off, ever reminding us all that nature does not
bow to man...it is always man that bows to nature.

But, people hold no grudges against nature and are more in harmony
with nature and enjoy a simpler life nowadays. People pick pine
needles from trees to make their tea, since there is no jet fuel to
im****t any Darjeeling tea or coffee.  Once in a while people are able
to kill a bird, a rat or cat to supplement their diet - so we still
can find a place of gratitude in our life for such gifts.

Of course one problem still haunts the world?

The last remaining buckets of crude will soon be gone and they have
still not found out how to make the tires for the solar powered golf
carts and scooters without that critical ingredient of crude oil?

Add it all together and you have 'America...a Democratic, Communist
Nation Under God.' as the 'best fit ' equation.

And for dessert add 'politics as usual' and we can see nothing
substantive will be done in the US to fix our energy woes until it is
too late. (Really it can't be fixed, we can only slowed down the
inevitable at this point.)

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F


BTW, do I like communism?

No, I like things EXACTLY as they are. But what I like doesn't
matter...neither does what you like matter. That's the point, for the
US to survive, we must put 'what matters to our country' on the front
burner. And as our country survives so do we survive.

Alan Watts used to say, it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't
matter what you like, it doesn't matter what you hope for...all that
really matters is what IS.

Sure we keep our treasured paper money, our guns, and what have you.
The atheists can still be atheists and the Christians, Muslims and
Jews can still wor****p as they like...that is why we would be a free
democracy...of sorts.

But the difference is, instead of the ego based decisions that
politicians and the titans of business get sucked into, they will put
the long term viability as top priority over personal profit. We must
all pull together and stop pulling in counterproductive directions.

The gov needs to cut the fat and stop all this foolish sickness that
they are addicted to in Wa****ngton. Hire yourself some truth based
philosophers and futurists as Socrates suggested in the Republic as an
oversight committee to keep you guys on track.

One im****tant thing would be to add an addendum to the constitution or
bill of rights or whatever other do***ents that outlines what we are
'now' all about...something that is clear advice that we can all look
to and not the 1000 page BS that politician use to hide their
sickness.

And yes,...hiding behavior is a signpost of die-ease.

And put it right upfront in the addendum as to why things changed...we
were energy whores and had no other choice.

But realize this, throughout history many great nations that once were
are not around any longer. Hopefully the US will understand this and
start accepting the truth that something has to give and it can't be
business as usual...it doesn't matter what you like...it doesn't
matter what you hope for...all that really matters is what is.


See:

See:

http://www.algore.org/forum/al_gore_news_and_events/gores_work_combat_climat=
e_crisis/why_dont_we_do_anything_about_global_

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-End-Age-Oil/dp/0393058573

http://www.amazon.com/Hubberts-Peak-Impending-World-Shortage/dp/0691116253

http://www.lastoilshock.com/

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-Introduction/dp/08050=
55762

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Emergency-Converging-Catastrophes-Twenty-First/dp=
/0871138883

http://dieoff.org/





Take care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind-
manacled...spiritually sick...defiance based atheist.
AA#2
 




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Get Out Of Iraq
HVAC <MR.HVAC@[EMAIL P  2008-04-25 01:56:10 
Re: Get Out Of Iraq
"-Alan aa#1608 BAAWA  2008-04-25 08:37:47 
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Brian E. Clark <reply@  2008-04-25 15:04:28 
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Brian E. Clark <reply@  2008-04-25 22:18:30 
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V <vfr44@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-26 07:05:34 
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"Art" <art@[  2008-04-26 07:46:30 
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me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-26 16:18:26 
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"Seon Ferguson"  2008-04-29 18:31:08 
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