Subject: Former Skeptic Talks About His Trip On An
Alien Space Craft on Coast To Coast AM. July 4, 2008.
Two days ago I had a mysterious encounter with my
friend Sierra Dan, the the man who does Reflexoly to
people's feet on the streets of Jamestown, Calif.
He is usually on the bench out in front of a haunted
hotel called "The Willows Hotel or restrurant. The
hotel usually gets the top story of the hotel burned
down by ghost every few years, so they finally, after
rebuilding it a few times, just let it be a one story
hotel.
It seems that Sierra Dan is always showing up in
mysterious places to give me information. In the short
time we talked in the grocery store called "Pack And
Save" in Sonora, Calif. He told me that a person had
been taken up in a space ****p. I then asked him if he
was referring to the interview of a person on the
Coast To Coast radio show. He then added that was
correct and took his leave of me.
I then checked it out on the web site called
coasttocoastam.com
which is the web site for the radio show that used to
be called The Art Bell show. Sure enough he was
mentioned there and his name is Phillip Krapf. I had
re****ted about Mr. Krapf on the Internet a few years
ago about his experiences with a group of space people
called the Verdants. Things were going good with them
until 9-11 happened and they were so shocked by this
that they figured that we weren't ready for contact
with outside space people and refused to work with
Phillip any more.
It now appears that they may be trying to work with
him again but we'll have to see how that works out.
I looked him up on
google.com
and here is some of the information that I found.
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"If things go according to plan, Earth could be
gearing up for rudimentary interstellar space travel in
the early 21st century through a sharing of technology
with the Verdants. In any prior decade, Phillip Krapf's
story would have been branded science fiction. However,
today his matter-of-fact re****ting of his abduction and
experience aboard an extraterrestrial craft is viewed
with more credibility."
The Contact Has Begun: An Interview With Phillip
Krapf
Tim Miejan, Editor, The EDGE Newspaper
http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/resourceredirect.asp?id
`It's the '90s and more people believe in the
possibility of extraterrestrial life than ever before.
There are those who cannot be sold on the idea.
Ironically, Mr. Krapf was one of them. He was a
newspaper man, a longtime copy editor with the Los
Angeles Times.
Now retired, he lives an idyllic life in Southern
California. The only thing that really complicates his
life is the memory of three days spent with beings
known as Verdants.
His book on the experience, The Contact Has Begun
(1998, HayHouse), is just over 100 pages, but the soft
cover's thinness belies its in-depth information about
an incredibly advanced civilization that comes from a
planet about two and a half times the size of Earth,
located 14 million light-years away. The maximum life
span of a Verdant, thanks to technology, is 20,000
Earth years. They've been studying Earth, to access its
preparedness in entering the Intergalactic Federation
of Sovereign Planets, for 1,000 years. Other data Mr.
Krapf relates is just as startling, including the
number of unidentified humans who have been in contact
with the Verdants and have been granted ambassador
status to prepare our civilization for formal entrance
into the galactic family. If things go according to
plan, Earth could be gearing up for rudimentary
interstellar space travel in the early 21st century
through a sharing of technology with the Verdants.
What was most mind-blowing to Mr. Krapf during his
stay aboard the space craft was the Verdant
understanding of G-d:
"You believe in Go-?" I stammered. "In an immortal
s-ul?"
[Gina's] face became a canvas of expression. I had
broken through. It took a practiced eye, and I would
not have seen it only hours before, but I could now
read the very, very subtle musculature changes that
revealed her emotions. "Believe?" she asked in wonder.
"We don't just believe. We know. Our scientists proved
the existence of the so-l millennia ago. Our ****ps have
discovered the precise location of H-aven in the
universe. We have been there." In an interview with The
EDGE, Mr. Krapf begins by relating an encounter he had
with a former colleague at the Los Angeles Times, a
person who is believed to be one of the ambassadors
with whom greater information about the Human-Verdant
relation****p has been shared.
Phillip Krapf: I was home one night and the phone
rang. It was a person at the Los Angeles Times who I
thought also had been a contact. It was late at night
and this person, and I can't say if it was a man or
woman, but I shall call it a him, wanted to talk with
me, but wanted to meet somewhere. I wondered if his
cover was blown or if he had to get a message to me. So
I met with him.
Tim: Was he aware you had written the book?
Krapf: Yes. He asked me, "So you've recently met some
new friends?" And I knew what he was talking about. I
thought he wanted to deliver an im****tant message, but
what it amounted to is that he wanted to talk to
someone whom he could confide in. He could confide in
me because we basically had the same experience. So we
met for lunch, but he had nothing pressing to mention.
He just brought me up to speed on what was going on in
his life and asked about me. He wanted to unload a
little bit, because he couldn't talk with anyone else
about this.
Tim: Outside of writing your book, do you have the
need to talk with other people about your experience?
Krapf: I have basically talked about it by going
public. I'm the only one who has gone public so far.
The others have not gone public and won't for some
time. My assignment was to go public. I've said
basically what I have to say in the book. I don't have
any real need to unload on anybody. Newspaper men, by
nature, are skeptics. I find that my newspaper friends
are not too interested in hearing about this. I don't
blame them, because I was a skeptic also. I would have
done the same thing. The local newspaper here did a
little story about my book signing and they had a
little fun with me in an editorial. At first I was a
little bit chagrined, but I realized I would've done
the same thing if I were in their place. I don't have a
real need to bare my sou- because everything that
happened to me was put down in the book. I should have
actually been shocked beyond imagination, or as I put
in the book, pushed towards the brink of i-sanity by
such an experience.
Tim: So you are more open to the idea of
extraterrestrials than you were?
Krapf: Yes, I am. I was a skeptic and didn't believe.
Quite frankly, I had never given it much thought. I
have never been interested in the new a-e genre. So
after the incident, I thought I should go out and do my
homework. I went to new ag- sections in bookstores
and wasn't aware of the movement and how much has been
written about it. When I saw all the material that was
available, I knew it would take years and years to read
it all. And I didn't have any way of knowing what
material was of value and what was irrelevant. I didn't
want to waste a lot of time reading someone's
conjecture and speculation.
People I talk to who are in the new -ge genre have
been in it for years and years, and quite frankly, they
lose me on some of it. I just can't follow them. I
think it's too late to get an education on it. There's
not enough time.
Tim: Do you have a sense of why you were selected?
Krapf: I asked them that question. In fact, I have a
chapter called "Why Pick on Me?" It came down to the
need for someone to write a "w-ite paper," as they
called it. And the person from the Los Angeles Times
had already been recruited and my name came up along
with many others. They were looking for a person who
could write a decent sentence, not someone who was the
best writer in the world but someone who could compile
a journal. I also am retired and I had the time to put
in on it. It might have just been the luck of the draw.
There were many qualified candidates. It just came down
to a selection process, and with the personal referral
from the person at the Times, they just picked someone
they felt could do the job.
Tim: Are there any experiences you had while you were
aboard that you keep thinking about? Wasn't it about a
year ago that it happened?
Part 1.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Former Skeptic Talks About His Trip On An
alien Spacecraft On Coast To Coast AM. Part 2 of 2.
July 7, 2008.
Here he discusses how these space people would like
to make contact with us.
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Krapf: It'll be a year in June, June 11 to 13. I was
very impressed in the observation dome of the wonder of
it all. I think about all the people, or beings, and
civilizations out there where life is going on.
It's just fascinating to think about. We're not
alone. There are other beings going on with their
everyday lives. How fascinating it would be to go
among them and see what their lives are like. I think
about that. It's probably unimaginable to really get a
good handle on the reality of it. You just have to be
there. Of course, the fact that they have a s-iritual
base really did surprise me.
I was an agnostic before the experience. I haven't
had any spiritual revelations or born again
experiences, but I accept their scientific data in the
area of religion, whereas most people I am aware of
believe on the basis of faith rather than solid
evidence. It's not a matter of faith for me, it's a
matter of being informed and knowledgeable about what
they have discovered. All those involved are drawing up
projected plans of how they are going to carry out
their assignments.
Tim: Would you say that you now believe in the
immortality of the s-ul?
Krapf: I believe them. They said they have proven it.
Tim: A long time ago.
Krapf: Yes.
It would be presumptuous of me to doubt them or to
scoff at that, because they are so advanced. I'm more
open to the idea based on what they have discovered
than on what some proselytizer who comes to the door
tells me. When he tells me the world is 5,000 years
old, there is evidence out there, just by looking at
the Grand Canyon, that the world is certainly more than
5,000 years old.
So people who come to my door are sincere, but they
are simply abiding by some religious training and don't
have any evidence. I'm more impressed by evidence. I
don't have evidence either, but I take the Verdants'
word that they have the evidence. I think about those
things. I haven't become a re-igious zealot or
anything. I don't try to spread the message. It's just
something that has given me some comfort. That
surprised me, quite frankly.
Tim: The experience must have shaken you in terms of
upsetting your belief system about how the universe
works?
Krapf: I don't know if the word "shaken" is the right
word. I should have actually been shocked beyond
imagination, or as I put in the book, pushed towards
the brink of insanity by such an experience. But
there's something else going on that neutralizes those
natural reactions that you would expect. I was
surprised by my own equanimity. Why am I not reacting
hysterically?
I've accepted it much more readily than you would
think is normal. But I think they have some control
over that. It's like when I went in for minor surgery,
for kidney stones or something. I don't like hospitals
and I was really nervous and anxious, and my stomach
was upset before I went to the hospital. I got there
and they started leading me into the operating room,
and I thought, "You know, this is just minor surgery.
It's not going to bother me. This is just routine
stuff." I was completely at ease. And then I realized
they had me on an I.V. of valium. I was in a natural
state of calm in a situation in which you shouldn't be
calm. So it was that sort of thing with the Verdants.
Tim: When and how did you tell your wife about your
experience?
Krapf: I kind of worked into it over a couple of days
rather than blurting it out. We're very close and she's
very trusting of me and I'm trusting of her.
When I finally explained what happened, it still came
as a surprise. But it was not a sudden one, like
getting a phone call telling you that your best friend
is dead. So I told her what had happened and she just
sort of accepted it and said, "Well, OK." She doesn't
talk about it much.
I think it's because she lives in a comfortable world
and doesn't see any place in that for space alien
contact. I think that if she had her preference, she'd
have life go on as it is, without having to deal with
the subject.
Tim: Do you have a sense of the time frame when we
will actually have a meeting with the Verdants?
Krapf: I was unsure of that. I came away with a very
vague idea, but I do cover that in the addendum. I
talked to the person from The Times about that, and he
had an idea of a very definite time frame.
Tim: And his status in contact with the Verdants was
ambassador?
Krapf: Yes.
Tim: So he was given more information related to our
eventual contact than you were.
Krapf: Absolutely. He has a much greater role to play
in the news coverage of the event. He indicated that
around 2002 things would begin happening. (JW The
only thing is that 9-11 happened and if we do such
things to our own people, they figured we were not
ready to be contacted.)
In the meantime, all those involved are drawing up
projected plans of how they are going to carry out
their assignments.
Those plans have to be reviewed and the groundwork
firmly laid before anything really starts happening.
Then around 2002 and for the rest of the decade things
will begin, and then around the end of that decade,
presumably if everything goes according to plan, we
will join the Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign
Planets. So it's still a few years, but things are
humming, from what I understand. He said also that the
Verdants are in contact with the various ambassadors.
He asked me if I had been in contact with them, and I
have not. I suppose that's because my job is done.
Their job is still ongoing.
Tim: Do you have a prevailing message that you want
to tell people?
Krapf: Keep the faith. In this age of people going
onto school grounds and shooting up kids with assault
rifles, the news is filled with things that get you
down after a while. I guess my message is not to let
things get you down. There is hope.
Tim: If events occur as the Verdants suggest, it
would be one of the most transforming events in the
history of the Earth.
Krapf: I don't think anything would ever compare with
it, quite frankly. It's going to change the destiny of
mankind.
Tim: Do you have a sense of anticipation about this?
Krapf: I do, but I'm not sitting here chewing my
nails every day. I'm just laid back and take the
attitude of what will be, will be. When it comes, it
comes. I'm not in a lather or dither or anything. I had
the impression that things were going to start
happening right away, but the person with The Times put
me straight about that: No, not yet. It'll be a while.
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Copyright © 1998, Tim Miejan
Part 2 of 2.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steven Greer And F-ee Energy Devices.
July 9, 2008.
While I was listening to the Coast To Coast AM
radio show on about July 7, 2008 I thought I heard
Steve Greer say that he had interviewed a former
g-vernment employee and he said he was taken to
warehouse and was shown many fr-e energy devices that
were taken by different means from people and stored
in this warehouse. I then decided to check this out
and found the following information.
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Earlier in 2004, Phenomena Editor Richard Dolan
interviewed Dr. Steven Greer. Greer is the founder of
the Center for [the] Study of Extraterrestrial
intelligence (CSETI), which claims to have initiated
communication and contact with extraterrestrials on
Earth.
In addition, Greer has founded the
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_disclosure_project.htm
Disclosure Project dedicated to ending official s-crecy
regarding UFOs.
Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence
CSETI), and within three years you’re getting an
invitation to meet with Laurence R-ckefeller. How did
that happen so quickly?
Greer
(G): To be honest with you, I think it was the force
of the message. Not only had we put together an
enormous amount of do***entation about the phenomenon,
but we had also formulated teams that were going all
over the world, and had reproducible results with
hundreds of witnesses - who had been able to signal to
these objects. We had different teams in England, or
Belgium, or Mexico, or places in the U-ited States.
From a number of them we got videotapes, photographs,
or other witnesses who saw the event happening.
Some of the stories are extraordinary.
G: Yes, and they’re all absolutely true. In fact
they’re way understated. This is what caught the
attention of people like Laurence Ro-kefeller, Mrs.
Buttros G-ali [wife of the former UN General
Secretary], former head of A-my Intelligence General
Stubblebine, and eventually friends of the P-esident
C-inton]. Some very good friends of the Pr-sident
became cognizant of what we were doing and urgently
wanted us to get information to the Pre-ident, to his
science advisor, as well as to some of the senior
m-litary intelligence people in his administration
after he got elected in 1993.
So we put together briefing materials and had
meetings. The main thing is that this is an inside
game. I hate to use that term, but this has mainly been
a process of educating two cl***** of people who are
"insiders."
One are the people who are on the inside, who should
know, but don’t, such as Pre-idents, C-A directors, and
so on. The other part of it is educating, from a new
paradigm, the national and international se-urity
control group - which some call
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_mj12.htm
- that deals with these issues. That is a committee of
about two or three hundred people, and I know a number
of them.
The issue here is to educate them to the need for
disclosure, for safe applications of technologies, and
for this matter to be handled wisely.
We feel that it has been handled promiscuously and
dangerously. If you look at some of the things that
have happened over the last fifty years, aside from it
eroding the rule of law and democracy, the actual
handling of the subject itself has been dangerous.
It’s a very dangerous thing for example, for the
Commander in Chief of A-lantic Command, Admiral Harry
T-ane, not to have had adequate information on the
subject and to scramble jets up and down the eastern
seaboard trying to force down one of these objects.
[This refers to an alleged mi-itary-UFO encounter from
May 1981 - Ed.]. This kind of behavior, which has
mainly taken place in a vacuum of sec-ecy, is a danger
to the national securi-y.
You have people who have a need to know who can’t
find out anything. And then you have other people who
do know and are controlling it, but they’re in a cult
of secre-y that becomes hermetically sealed.
D: Did you brief CI- director Wo-lsey, and there’s
talk that you briefed some other very high-level
Clin-on officials. I’m wondering who those were. For
example, the name Al G-re came up. Did you in fact
brief Al Go-e on UFOs
G: Well, there are a number of people in public life
that I don’t want to comment on, who we are currently
meeting with. They are and extensive group of people.
They include people who are currently friends with
every living pre-ident.
There’s not a living pres-dent who doesn’t have a
close associate on our advisory team. So from that,
you can extrapolate.
D: Can you give a sense of when these briefings were
happening, the kinds of things what were said? What do
you think of Bill Clin-on himself, and his sense of all
this?
G: First of all, for the most part, very few people
in most administrations knew anything about the
subject. They knew what they saw on a badly-done
do***entary on the Discovery Channel. It’s a sad
statement, but that is really true.
This is not just the executive branch. I met with a
member of the intelligence community back in the
1990’s. That was Senator Richard B-yan, and it was
traumatic. I use that word because there’s this sense
that [these officials] know this is the truth. But the
problem is that if you make the case this is real, and
you’re talking to someone who is the head of the -IA,
or is a high official in the intelligence community,
you find they have been denied access. They’ve made an
inquiry through channels and have been told no such
project exists.
This is frightening. Not in the sense that the
phenomenon is is frightening, but that people could be
at those levels of responsibility and operational
divisions where they really do have a need to know, and
where they are completely left in the dark. I would say
that none of the reactions have been, "oh this is
silly, it’s nonsense." This is im****tant to hear: I
haven’t had a single meeting with a high official,
either scientific, p-litical, or mil-tary, who has had
that reaction. Not in the least.
D: What were some of the other types of reactions?
G: Dismay, deep concern, and great interest.
D: Would you say they generally believe there’s
some kind of cover up going on?
G: Oh yeah. I had with a member of c-ngress who is on
the House National Se-urity Committee who said to me,
bluntly: "We of course are window dressing."
I’ll never forget the poignant moment when we were
fini****ng the nearly three-hour meeting with C-A
Director [James] Woo-sey and his wife, Dr. Sue Wool-ey
(who at the time was the Chief Operating Officer at the
National Academy of S-iences). He was getting ready to
leave, Se-ret Service were out front, and I gave him a
summary packet with a set of recommendations for the
Clint-n Administration. This was in the December of
1993. He looked at me and said, "Dr. Greer, how can we
disclose what we are being denied access to? What would
that say to the world?"
It’s a very sobering thought, because part of the
illusion here is that people we elect are actually in
control. They’re not. This is something that most
people don’t discuss. These [gov-rnment officials] are
not stupid or naive. -linton was a very bright man.
C-hen was a very brilliant man. W-olsey was a very
smart man. They know there’s something going on.
When we did our first briefing for members of
Con-ress in 1997, we gathered about a dozen mi-itary
witnesses of UFO events. Following that, I had a
meeting over at the P-ntagon with a senior official, an
admiral at the Joint Chiefs of -taff level. My mil-tary
advisor, a man with great access to the senior flag
officers, was a friend of this gentleman. We went over
there with a couple of these witnesses.
Prior to the meeting, I had given him some do***ents,
code names, and numbers.
These were current code names and code numbers. He
took them and made inquiries at the Pent-gon into these
projects, and he hit pay dirt. He actually located
these projects. When he made an inquiry, wanting to
know what these projects were doing, he was flat out
told, "Sir, you don’t have a need to know." This is an
admiral with the Intelligence D-rector. They told him
he didn’t have a need to know. He was furious.
These are the code words for UFO related programs?
G: Yes. They’re actually ETV, extraterrestrial
vehicle, related. No one uses the word UFO, by the way.
UFO was coined after they knew they weren’t
unidentified and they knew they didn’t fly. (Laughs).
By the end of this briefing, this admiral said to me,
"If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it,
you’re dealing with some of the most powerful
technologies. These are things that could do circles
around my B-2 stealth bombers." He also said, "Unless
the civilian authorities authorize me to push further,
there’s not much I can do." I then told him what we
were planning to do with the Disclosure Project. To
the extent that we could get people and do***ents and
other things, we were going to put them out there. He
looked at me and said, "If you can do it, do it."
I was in Britain meeting with the Ministry of
D-fense, and also the former head of the Ministry of
De-ense, Lord Hill N-rton. He’s a Sea L-rd, a Five Star
Admiral. At one point he asked, "Why the h-ll wasn’t I
told about this when I was head of the Ministry of
Def-nse?"
Part 1.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steven Greer And F-ee Energy Devices.
Part 2 of 2. July 10, 2008.
A person, who is a very smart person suggests that
I only take Steve Greer's information with a grain of
salt but here goes the story as told by Mr. Greer.
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I said "Sir, what would you have done while you were
head of the M-D, and you found out that there was a
clandestine group that was transnational - e.g.
transcended national borders - that had this
information. That had lied to the P-esidents, Prime
M-nisters, and high officials. That had used hundreds
of billions of taxpayer dollars to work on these
projects, and had sequestered them inside private
cor****ate structures. And had also, literally, engaged
in elimination - m-rder - in order to keep it s-cret?"
He looked at me and said, "I wouldn’t have stood for
it for one b-oody minute!"
I said, "That’s why they weren’t going to tell you,
and that’s why they will never tell you."
You see, the first thing these folks do is a s-ul
biopsy. By that I mean they’re going to take a reading
of you as a person. Your whole person. If they don’t
think you’ll go along with the game, they’re not going
to tell you. Or they’ll tell you disinformation, or set
you on the wrong track.
Whether or not you know has nothing to do with your
position. This is the big mistake that the UFO research
community has made. Assumptions have been make,
[like] "oh, you’re the head of the National S-curity
Agency, you know." Some N-A chiefs have known, some
haven’t.
[Former NS- Director] Bobby Ray I-man knew. Others
haven’t. Some CI- directors had knowledge, others
didn’t. Bill C-lby knew a great deal.
D: Is that why Bill Co-by d-ed?
G: Yeah, basically, I mean that’s an untouched story.
D: He di-d in 1996, in what was described as an
’unfortunate boating accident.’
G: [long pause] Well, I have never said this
publicly, but I’ll say it now because this is now many
years gone. The week that he -ied, he was scheduled to
meet with a member of our board, to transfer an
enormous sum of money and actual hard material. Proof
of this whole matter. Because he was sick of the
se-recy, he was old, and he wanted it to come out. He
very much sup****ted what we wanted to do. One of his
best friends, who was an old c-lonel, was our
go-between. And it was under very suspicious
cir***stances, that’s as far as I’ll go.
I will say that this co-onel, who was good friends
with Bill Co-by, came to the wake of a good friend of
mine who d-ed - there were three of us who got
metastatic c-ncer the same month, and I’m the only one
left living, all under rather strange conditions,
that’s all I’ll say about that. He said to me, "You
know, we can’t look back. We’ve got to to forward."
These are tragic losses that both of us have had. It’s
very emotional I can’t talk about this and not get
choked up. Some of the things that have happened to
keep this se-ret are really unconscionable.
I’ve been suspicious of Colb-’s death for a long
time. I think a lot of people are.
G: We know exactly what happened. I know when it
happened, how it happened, who ... but the whole point
is that I’m not one of these take a pound of flesh,
revenge kind of guys. I’m more like, "let’s keep our
eye on the ball." The ball is the future of
civilization we have here on this planet. We’re running
out of time to do some of the right things that should
have happened in the 1950s.
D: What about your efforts regarding Zero Point
Energy?
G: From the
http://www.disclosureproject.org
Disclosure Project and the
http://www.cseti.org
CSETI work we met a number of scientists from places
like Murray H-ll, L-ckheed, and N-rthrop.
They worked on some of these exotic propulsion and
energy systems, and had not already been gobbled up by
the m-litary-industrial-intelligence complex. We
concluded that there was actually enough science and
invention to form an effort to bring it out.
So a spinoff of the Disclosure Project became
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_seas.htm
Space E-ergy Access Systems, Inc. It’s not so much
that we’re trying to bring out anti-ravity,
electrog-avity, or magnetogr-vitic technologies to the
public at the first blow. But revealing science and
physics behind energy generation capabilities that
would explain the behavior of UFOs.
We’ve developed a collection of some two dozen or
maybe three dozen inventions and inventors. Some are
bench-type prototypes. Some are a little more
developed, dealing with e-ergy and propulsion systems
that merit further research and development. My opinion
is that it will take ten or twenty million dollars to
take most of those things into anything of commercial
value. By that, I mean something you could put into
your house, start operating off the grid, extracting
energy from the quantum vacuum space, the so-called
zero-point energy field.
We can now state with some confidence that we have
observed and tested systems out there that are far
enough along that they’re not decades away. Maybe 12 to
24 months away from having at least Generation One
energy devices that could completely replace o-l, gas,
coal, and n-clear power.
Of course, we have a basic R&D need that is going to
be rather expensive. Large cor****ations will not fund
this, and if they do, they’re doing to b-ack box" it.
These technologies have been known since the 1940s
and 1950s, and it’s been "bl-ck shelf" for that long.
But there are some cracks of light coming out. One of
them is a powerful member of the S-nate that we’re
meeting with. He’s showing a tremendous amount of
interest in this area - and I think I can open some
doors for some basic science R&D funding.
D: Do you have a device, or a blueprint of a device,
that actually would produce excess energy?
G: Well, of course, !--
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Tom Bearden and his MEG
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalarwar01.htm
Motionless Electro-agnetic Generator is being
developed that does this. It’s not ready for
commercialization. It needs quite a bit of further R&D.
But, yes there are. We visited another gentleman who’s
got a device, more old fa****oned, kind of a Tesla-type
rotary system. But this device was putting out 400-500
watts of usable power at 60 hertz and 110 volts from
basically the quantum vacuum field. It was quite
remarkable when this person had some threats, he was
frightened.
For many of these inventors, unfortunately, the
currency of fear goes a long way to keeping them from
being too bold. But, yes, we have seen these things,
and I’m optimistic that it can be done. My big concern
is will it take longer than the earth will allow. There
are some serious problems going on right now.
D: Yes. We’re in the middle of a natural gas crisis
in North America and we’re maybe a decade away from
hitting the petroleum wall.
G: Correct, and the people I work with at the
Department of En-rgy have pointed out maybe less than a
decade from now, particularly if there’s any economic
development at all in Russia, China, and India.
D: Plus, there’s evidence O-EC’s cooked their books,
so there’s really not telling how much is left.
G: Yes, and also what the refining and ****pping
capabilities are. This is a very complex, centralized,
energy supply line trying to feed six billion people.
One of the problems with the whole fossil fuel game is
that its very zero sum. Meaning that there’s only so
much of it to go around. It almost requires that about
80 percent of the world’s population be impoverished,
while maybe twenty percent, if we’re lucky, can live
something of a civilized lifestyle.
When, locked away in these bl-ck boxes of covert
industry and mi-itary intelligence, are the solutions
for this.
Unfortunately it does not look as though we are even
close to moving in that direction.
G: Well, I wouldn’t be so sure. There’s the outside
game and the inside game. The inside game that I see
going on is encouraging. I would estimate upwards of 40
or 45 percent of the policy group that deals with these
issues are in favor of this coming out. I know there
are preparations being made for that to happen. I think
a number of people in circles around the world are
beginning to look at this problem, and are thinking
there are serious secrecy issues that need to get
resolved.
There are also some promising technologies that they
are just beginning to be made aware of. That’s why I
tell people, part of this is an educational and
"consciousness raising" process. But part of it also is
being bold enough to say "we’re prepared to provide the
leader****p to do this."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_greer.htm
Part 2 of 2.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Caused The Tunguska Explosion?
July 14, 2008.
A lot of people are wondering what caused the
explosion in Russia about 100 years ago. I will put
down what some people think about it and at the end of
this article I will put down what has been told me
about what caused it.
This information should be called "Ancient Artifacts"
number 2 of 2.
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A CENTURY OF MYSTERY DEPARTMENT
Huge Tunguska Explosion Remains Mysterious 100 Years
Later
A full century after the mysterious Tunguska
explosion in Siberia leveled an area nearly the size of
Tokyo, debate continues over what caused it.
Many questions remain as to what crashed into the
Earth from above -- how big it was and what it was made
of. Some question whether it even came from space at
all, or whether it erupted from the ground instead.
And there is always speculation that it was caused by
a UFO or famed inventor Nikola Tesla's "d-ath ray."
Death from above?...
The explosion near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River on
June 30, 1908, flattened some 500,000 acres (2,000
square kilometers) of Siberian forest.
Scientists calculated the Tunguska explosion could
have been roughly as strong as 10 megatons to 20
megatons of TNT -- 1,000 times more powerful than the
atom bomb dropped on Hiro****ma.
The longstanding theory regarding the cause of the
event is a cosmic impact from an asteroid or comet. In
the last decade, researchers have conjectured the event
was triggered by an asteroid exploding in Earth's
atmosphere and measuring roughly 100 feet wide (30
meters) and 617,300 tons (560,000 metric tons) in mass
more than 10 times that of the Titanic. But recent
supercomputer simulations suggest the asteroid that
caused the extensive damage was much smaller.
Specifically, physicist Mark Boslough at Sandia
National Laboratory in Albuquerque, N.M., and his
colleagues say it would have been a factor of three or
four times smaller in mass and perhaps 65 feet (20
meters) in diameter. As the asteroid exploded as it ran
into Earth's atmosphere, Boslough and colleagues
calculate it would have generated a supersonic jet of
expanding superheated gas. This fireball would have
caused blast waves that were stronger at the surface
than previously thought.
However At the same time, prior estimates may have
overstated the devastation the event caused.
The forest back then was unhealthy, according to
foresters, so it would not have taken as much energy to
blow down such trees. In addition, the winds from the
explosion would naturally get amplified above
ridgelines, making the explosion seem more powerful
than it actually was. What researchers had thought to
be an explosion between 10 and 20 megatons was more
likely only 3 to 5 megatons, Boslough said.
As to whether the impact was similar to a stony,
carbonaceous asteroid or a comet, "while the community
has pretty much accepted the view that it was a
carbonaceous asteroid, I'm not sure it's a slam dunk,"
Boslough said.
"The main argument against it being a comet is
statistical.
There are a lot more small Earth-crossing asteroids
than comets at least by a couple orders of magnitude.
While it's unlikely to be a comet, I'm not convinced
it's physically impossible."
Discovering the size and makeup of whatever hit at
Tunguska could shed light on how often such a
devastating impact might take place, explained NASA
Ames Research Center planetary scientist and
astrobiologist David Morrison.
"As interesting though Tunguska is, I'm more
interested in the next Tunguska,"
Morrison told
SPACE.com.
"We know small objects are far more numerous than large
ones out there, so we want to see how much damage they
might be able to do."
Death from below?...
Instead of a cause from above, in the last decade
some researchers have suggested the Tunguska explosion
actually came from below. Astrophysicist Wolfgang Kundt
at the University of Bonn in Germany and others have
suggested that an eruption of natural gas from
kimberlite, a kind of volcanic rock best known for
sometimes holding diamonds, could be to blame.
"It would have come from the molten earth, some 3,000
kilometers deep (1,864 miles)," Kundt said. "The
natural gas would be stored as a fluid that deep, and
when it reaches the surface it would become a gas and
expand by a factor of thousand in volume, for a huge
explosion."
For sup****t, he cited the pattern the trees fell in,
as well as chemical anomalies.
Even stranger ideas...
Wilder theories have been bandied about over the
years regarding what caused the Tunguska explosion,
including: A UFO crash. Struck by the similarity of
Tunguska and Hiro****ma decades later, a science fiction
writer named Alexander Kazantsev wrote a story in
which the Tunguska blast was the exploding
nuclear power plant of a space****p from Mars. A few
Russian scientists took up the cause and claimed to
find various bits of evidence -- never substantiated --
for a civilized alien explanation.
The annihilation of a chunk of antimatter from
space. This does not account for mineral debris
the explosion left behind.
A black hole zipping through Earth. This also
does not account for mineral debris the explosion
left behind, and there was no subsequent
explosion as such a black hole, having tunneled
through the Earth, would have shot back out
through the surface of the Atlantic.
A Nikola Tesla "death ray." The man who
pioneered radio and modern alternating current
electric power (AC) systems was often seen as a
mad scientist. One story alleges he test-fired
a death ray on the evening of June 30, 1908,
and once he found out about the Tunguska event,
he dismantled the weapon, deeming it too
dangerous to remain in existence.
All the speculation concerning Tunguska is
to be expected, Boslough said.
"Lots of theories are going to pop up --
it's like a crime scene, and everyone wants
to have a hand in solving the mystery," he
commented. "It's fun to speculate."
Source:
Space.com
http://www.space.com/news/080630-mm-tunguska-mystery.html
(JW Now for the information that was given me.)
Many years ago I used to subscribe to a magazine that
was called Universarium. It was put out by a person
called Zelrum Karsleigh. Zelrum has now passed on and
magazine is no longer in existence. In this magazine
they would print information from people on the other
side, in other words dead people. One of the favorite
people who they quoted was called Master Yogunda who
was actually Yogananda, but that is pretty hard to
believe because Yogananda the author of the book called
"Autobiography Of A Yogi" said that he wasn't going to
transmit to living people when he died and if anyone
said he was sending them messages, to not believe them.
He even told Zelrum not to contact his organization
that still exists in Calif. because it would opset
them.
I sent in a few questions and they would send me
the answers back from Master Yogunda.
One of the many question that was mentioned in the
magazine was "What cause the so-called the meteor
crash in Russia in 1908. Here is the answer, and I
know a lot of people will think it is not true but here
goes nothing.
Russia was experimenting with n-clear energy and
was making b-mbs out of that material. They were to
test one of these devices out in the remote forrest.
The space people who were watching them from above
and figured out that if Russia came up with this bo-b
and the rest of this world didn't have the device then
Russia could take control this world and really make
things bad for the rest of the people on this Earth.
They brought one of their space ****ps into the area
and this was seen by the local people. When the
Russians set off one of their test bom-s the space
craft added more energy to the blast and this blew
up the whole area. The space craft then left the
area and continued with it's work of watching humanity.
(JW Now the information I just put down is not
exactly what was said in the magazine but it is the
best I can do for something that I read about 25 or
more years ago.
So that's it folks. Take it or leave it.
John Winston. johnfw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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