On Aug 22, 1:30=A0pm, "thomas p." <gudl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "stoney" <sto...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:19:38 +0200, "thomas p." <gudl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > alt.atheism;
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> >>"stoney" <sto...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i en meddelelse
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> >>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:19:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
> >>> <penguin_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> <nlsf84drq43rhs9qgnhdqo74745scpq...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in alt.atheism;
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> >>>>On =A0Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:10:36 +0100 "Katt" <kahgfgh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
> >>>>>Saw this somewhere and wondered if it's actually accurate...
> >>>>>-----
> >>>>>"Wa****ngton and its apologists continually insist that the US is
'no=
t
> >>>>>an
> >>>>>imperial power'. Yet of the 192 supposedly 'sovereign' states
> >>>>>recognised
> >>>>>by
> >>>>>the United Nations, no fewer than *133* have a US military presence
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> >>>>>which, in each and every case, the population was not consulted
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> >>>>>did
> >>>>>not vote for; and cannot choose to remove..."
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> >>>>Define "military presence" Does this count USMC Embassy Guards? The
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> >>>>Navy weather stations in Greenland? Two field grade officers and a
> >>>>small staff posted to Outer Wayouttherestan to train locals on the
> >>>>equipment their government has bought? How about US troops taking
par=
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> >>>>in UN or NATO missions? Troops get around, and some of these
presence=
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> >>>>are as simple as US troops attending training in a nation.
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> >>>>Oh, a short list of nations having a military presence in the US:
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> >>>>Germany.
> >>>>Canada.
> >>>>The United Kingdom.
> >>>>Japan.
> >>>>Saudi Arabia.
> >>>>Jordan.
> >>>>Egypt.
> >>>>Republic of Korea.
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> >>>>All these have a significant number of troops assigned inside the US
> >>>>at any given time. Germany maintains an entire Luftwaffe squadron at
> >>>>Holloman AFB for training
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> >>> George AFB in Victorville, CA., had a full Luftwaffe squadron for
> >>> training until it closed. =A0Americans did all the maintenance.
=A0Al=
though
> >>> I was in the other wing, I was asked to install an advanced comm
syst=
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> >>> on their flightline and sit in on their TCTO {Time Compliance
Technic=
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> >>> Order {{system maintenance modification meetings}}
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> >>(piggybacking here)
> >>One observation about the above. =A0 The US, just like any other
nation=
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> >>far from perfect, but there is no reason to make up claims such as:
=A0=
"no
> >>fewer than *133* have a US military presence -- which, in each and
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> >>case, the population was not consulted about; did
> >>not vote for; and cannot choose to remove..." =A0Almost all of the
nati=
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> >>he
> >>mentioned are functioning democracies. =A0The freely elected
government=
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> >>have
> >>the right to cancel agreements with the US.
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> > Since when do facts matter to blatherers?
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> For a long time I have had the feeling that most people have a set of
> doctrines secular or religious, and they will not or are not able to
> tolerate anything that calls them into question. =A0Perhaps all of us
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> that to a lesser or greater degree.- Hide quoted text -
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I put it more simply as "Most people believe what they want to
believe." Reading Usenet has convinced me of this.
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