On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:30:11 +0200, "thomas p." <gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
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>"stoney" <stoney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:p7gsa419cpa6h0qss8d48oemeuok53s93l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:19:38 +0200, "thomas p." <gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> Message ID: <48a1e248$0$56773$edfadb0f@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> alt.atheism;
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>>>
>>>"stoney" <stoney@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:o6b3a41h8q3hcsgejm1e150idqq402ptgo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:19:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
>>>> <penguin_boy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Message ID:
>>>> <nlsf84drq43rhs9qgnhdqo74745scpqqsv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in alt.atheism;
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:10:36 +0100 "Katt" <kahgfghttt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> carved
>>>>>the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
>>>>>>Saw this somewhere and wondered if it's actually accurate...
>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>"Wa****ngton and its apologists continually insist that the US is
'not
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>imperial power'. Yet of the 192 supposedly 'sovereign' states
>>>>>>recognised
>>>>>>by
>>>>>>the United Nations, no fewer than *133* have a US military presence
--
>>>>>>which, in each and every case, the population was not consulted
about;
>>>>>>did
>>>>>>not vote for; and cannot choose to remove..."
>>>>>
>>>>>Define "military presence" Does this count USMC Embassy Guards? The
US
>>>>>Navy weather stations in Greenland? Two field grade officers and a
>>>>>small staff posted to Outer Wayouttherestan to train locals on the
>>>>>equipment their government has bought? How about US troops taking
part
>>>>>in UN or NATO missions? Troops get around, and some of these
presences
>>>>>are as simple as US troops attending training in a nation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, a short list of nations having a military presence in the US:
>>>>>
>>>>>Germany.
>>>>>Canada.
>>>>>The United Kingdom.
>>>>>Japan.
>>>>>Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>Jordan.
>>>>>Egypt.
>>>>>Republic of Korea.
>>>>>
>>>>>All these have a significant number of troops assigned inside the US
>>>>>at any given time. Germany maintains an entire Luftwaffe squadron at
>>>>>Holloman AFB for training
>>>>
>>>> George AFB in Victorville, CA., had a full Luftwaffe squadron for
>>>> training until it closed. Americans did all the maintenance.
Although
>>>> I was in the other wing, I was asked to install an advanced comm
system
>>>> on their flightline and sit in on their TCTO {Time Compliance
Technical
>>>> Order {{system maintenance modification meetings}}
>>>
>>>(piggybacking here)
>>>One observation about the above. The US, just like any other nation,
is
>>>far from perfect, but there is no reason to make up claims such as:
"no
>>>fewer than *133* have a US military presence -- which, in each and
every
>>>case, the population was not consulted about; did
>>>not vote for; and cannot choose to remove..." Almost all of the
nations
>>>he
>>>mentioned are functioning democracies. The freely elected governments
>>>have
>>>the right to cancel agreements with the US.
>>
>> Since when do facts matter to blatherers?
>
>For a long time I have had the feeling that most people have a set of
>doctrines secular or religious, and they will not or are not able to
>tolerate anything that calls them into question. Perhaps all of us are
like
>that to a lesser or greater degree.
Perhaps. For my part, I know of no 'doctrines.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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