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Re: Pesky Gender, another rant [was: First posting...

by betsy <betsy@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 18, 2008 at 01:17 AM

Serene wrote:
> Stef wrote:
> 
>> This may be strictly idiosyncratic to me, but I'm thinking about
>> "feminine" behavior and dress. I got a lot of pressure to be
differently
>> feminine when I was young, and as a result I came to hate some feminine
>> behaviors and clothing styles. It took me a long time to get that some
>> people actually *enjoy* wearing the types of clothing and doing the
>> types of behavior that I was pressured by and therefore hate -- and
they
>> do it not to conform but because it feels good to them.
> 
> 
> *nodnod* I sometimes wish my preferred presentation weren't so 
> ****ing gender-normative.

strangely, since i have started doing something very strongly 
not-gender-normative (shaving my head, pictures on my flickr site; email 
me if you don't know where it is and want to see), i have been much more 
concerned about the *rest* of my gender presentation-- wearing "the good 
bra", wearing clothes that fit according to standard feminine rules, 
fewer flannels and oversize t-****rts. it's a little weird.

betsy.
-- 
If you didn't hate me so much for merely emailing you, I'd express
empathy. But now, I hope you hurt a lot. --Orlando Fiol, 29 Apr 2008
          betsy at mooseparty dot org
 




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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-20 16:42:15 
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umar <866013149b@[EMAI  2008-05-21 18:53:24 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 14:05:13 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-16 16:09:55 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-16 14:59:18 
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Kai Jones <snippy@[EMA  2008-05-16 12:01:21 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-16 20:57:41 
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"Guy W. Thomas"  2008-05-16 18:03:30 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 19:58:26 
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"Guy W. Thomas"  2008-05-16 21:54:54 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 11:53:30 
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"ElissaAnn" <  2008-05-17 08:08:33 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 08:36:38 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 14:00:05 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 15:09:34 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 13:15:14 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 23:10:14 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-19 23:43:09 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 20:19:20 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 20:26:43 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-18 14:59:38 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-19 19:12:34 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-18 11:54:28 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 18:50:30 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-18 16:32:53 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 03:18:41 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-18 20:27:11 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 09:12:29 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-19 07:34:49 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 19:10:21 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 12:01:47 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-19 07:34:13 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 12:56:56 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-19 08:27:39 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-18 20:31:40 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-05-20 22:48:10 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-20 23:15:17 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-21 18:48:59 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-05-21 18:26:02 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-22 01:30:33 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-05-21 23:04:14 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 13:37:25 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 19:15:36 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 18:33:32 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-19 19:58:59 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 19:14:04 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 18:35:02 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 22:07:23 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 19:54:38 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-19 19:59:56 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-24 22:23:09 
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lisa cohen <lcohen@[EM  2008-05-18 12:41:05 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-19 23:44:34 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-20 11:29:09 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-20 11:15:18 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-21 07:41:09 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 03:16:28 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-17 09:42:39 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-17 14:54:55 
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Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-17 10:01:20 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 20:02:45 
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"Guy W. Thomas"  2008-05-16 21:57:48 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 09:12:43 
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"Guy W. Thomas"  2008-05-18 12:34:32 
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aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-18 19:02:40 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 08:23:35 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 03:25:04 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-17 14:56:01 
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"songbird" <  2008-05-17 16:01:53 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-17 12:39:50 
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aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-16 12:09:33 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-17 09:40:14 
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Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-17 09:57:55 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-05-15 18:14:21 
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Teal <rhubarb@[EMAIL P  2008-05-16 11:27:12 
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Lissa McCollum <lissag  2008-05-15 23:52:35 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-16 14:16:19 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-16 14:46:57 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-16 20:51:54 
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"Guy W. Thomas"  2008-05-16 18:00:36 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-17 09:33:14 
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Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-17 10:06:10 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 11:22:34 
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"ElissaAnn" <  2008-05-17 08:03:18 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 13:15:01 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 00:02:22 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 00:08:39 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-18 15:48:29 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 21:27:16 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-19 03:27:47 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-19 19:22:30 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-20 00:41:36 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-19 21:39:02 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-20 03:00:43 
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Doug Wickstrom <nimshu  2008-05-24 22:24:50 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-05-25 16:47:45 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 11:24:05 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 08:30:53 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 13:38:49 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 20:01:54 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 20:15:38 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-18 14:59:38 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 21:29:08 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-19 03:27:55 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-19 00:34:09 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-18 21:40:24 
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umar <866013149b@[EMAI  2008-05-19 22:25:53 
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ChickPea <E-0C001302-3  2008-05-20 00:26:00 
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Serene <serene@[EMAIL   2008-05-19 16:37:37 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-19 20:08:42 
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Rob Wynne <doc@[EMAIL   2008-05-20 14:29:53 
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lisa cohen <lcohen@[EM  2008-05-20 15:53:22 
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darkhawk@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-19 20:52:35 
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stef@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-05-20 23:35:55 
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Lissa McCollum <lissag  2008-05-19 21:44:46 
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bright uruloki <bright  2008-05-21 11:42:03 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-19 19:14:09 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-18 15:34:01 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 12:02:51 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-18 19:05:14 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 19:16:20 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 23:25:37 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-19 19:20:25 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-20 00:39:12 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-19 21:36:49 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-05-18 00:19:19 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 15:07:40 
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Orlando Enrique Fiol <  2008-05-17 20:18:11 
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"Dr. Brat" <  2008-05-17 20:24:54 
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