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Re: hi from Idaho

by piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blunt and Opaque) Jul 24, 2008 at 02:58 PM

John Palmer <jpalmer1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, in article
<li4g84la60psskbfijk7r9qv4jea0he5k8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, dixit:
>On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:04:18 -0700, Kai Jones <snippy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>>It's really hard for me to believe that you don't have ideals you
>>aspire to but don't meet, because that's what the cheating monogamists
>>are doing, and I do it to, just not on the same subject.  I mean, I
>>want to be a better person than I am, and I think being, for example,
>>honest and trustworthy, dependable and timely, generous and kind are
>>all good things; and yet I don't always achieve those things.  Does
>>that make me not a person who is striving for them? 

>>As far as excusing their own missteps, that's just a human thing.
>>Doesn't mean they don't still believe the ideal is worthy.  

>No, but it would lead me to believe that they merely profess to
>believe that the ideal is worthy, or that their belief isn't all that
>strong/meaningful. 

>This doesn't mean I'd be correct in that belief, but I'm not sure that
>being correct would matter to me. "Oh, s/he really, really believes in
>(not) doing X, but she probably can't be trusted to (not) do X" means
>that only the second clause is really relevant to my interactions with
>that person. 

I expect everyone to be fallible.  I don't trust *anyone* to do or not
do as they profess.  More often than not, I've found (in my own
behavior as well as in observing others) that the things we care about
most are also the things we're conflicted about, that we struggle
with.

The angel on one shoulder comes with a devil on the other shoulder.


-- 
Piglet
 




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jerry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-21 15:43:38 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-21 16:20:55 
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umar <866013149c@[EMAI  2008-07-21 18:32:24 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-21 16:52:05 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-21 17:00:38 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-07-22 22:56:27 
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anarii@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-21 16:54:28 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-21 17:01:04 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-21 16:57:40 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-21 17:17:44 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-21 20:09:58 
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Sergei Nesmeyanov <koo  2008-07-22 11:55:42 
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JK <jk.usenet@[EMAIL P  2008-07-28 19:29:29 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-22 13:27:01 
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Sergei Nesmeyanov <koo  2008-07-22 20:17:49 
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anarii@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 20:55:17 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-25 12:27:06 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-25 19:57:03 
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umar <866013149c@[EMAI  2008-07-25 20:59:30 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-26 03:38:58 
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David <farookdas@[EMAI  2008-07-27 08:23:48 
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Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-27 12:06:12 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-29 04:29:03 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-25 16:03:07 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-25 16:04:20 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-08-01 06:28:51 
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"Ruth Lawrence"  2008-07-22 12:37:59 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-22 16:25:46 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-21 21:40:50 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-21 21:41:27 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-21 21:46:33 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-21 22:36:46 
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stef@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-22 05:16:39 
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anarii@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-21 23:43:09 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-22 19:36:31 
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umar <866013149c@[EMAI  2008-07-22 06:55:20 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-22 08:37:48 
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David <farookdas@[EMAI  2008-07-23 07:54:32 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-23 11:33:23 
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David <farookdas@[EMAI  2008-07-23 13:41:56 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-23 20:08:33 
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Chickpea <chickpea@[EM  2008-07-23 13:23:35 
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David <farookdas@[EMAI  2008-07-24 14:44:31 
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"ElissaAnn" <  2008-07-25 10:40:16 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-25 18:04:06 
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Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-26 08:35:46 
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umar <866013149c@[EMAI  2008-07-25 21:01:32 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-25 12:31:02 
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betsy <betsy@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-25 23:05:22 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-07-27 20:20:06 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-28 06:15:47 
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"songbird" <  2008-07-23 08:11:31 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-07-23 07:02:20 
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"songbird" <  2008-07-25 10:05:11 
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anarii@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 01:22:17 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-22 22:54:17 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-23 14:41:48 
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aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-23 07:52:38 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-23 18:16:13 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-07-23 19:42:55 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-24 02:46:51 
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anarii@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 01:27:32 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-22 22:21:34 
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Phoenix <druppert@[EMA  2008-07-22 09:02:05 
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Michael Rosen <michael  2008-07-22 09:56:16 
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Kai Jones <snippy@[EMA  2008-07-22 09:58:03 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-22 17:06:40 
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Chickpea <chickpea@[EM  2008-07-23 13:15:24 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-23 17:02:57 
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Irfon-Kim Ahmad <irfon  2008-07-29 17:54:31 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-29 18:10:23 
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Irfon-Kim Ahmad <irfon  2008-07-29 19:30:59 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-29 19:37:45 
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Irfon-Kim Ahmad <irfon  2008-07-29 20:02:15 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-29 20:39:54 
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"Ruth Lawrence"  2008-07-30 09:48:21 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-30 22:00:10 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-31 18:30:54 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-08-01 21:33:17 
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"ElissaAnn" <  2008-08-01 07:48:15 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-08-01 22:00:20 
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"Ruth Lawrence"  2008-07-30 09:46:50 
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aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-22 10:29:37 
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Kai Jones <snippy@[EMA  2008-07-22 12:04:18 
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stef@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-22 19:25:00 
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Kai Jones <snippy@[EMA  2008-07-22 14:14:47 
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umar <866013149c@[EMAI  2008-07-22 18:53:15 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-22 23:55:22 
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stef@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-23 17:59:53 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-23 23:47:44 
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Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-24 11:00:47 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-22 22:58:19 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-23 14:44:05 
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Rob Wynne <doc@[EMAIL   2008-07-23 15:20:39 
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Michael Rosen <michael  2008-07-23 09:12:40 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-07-23 19:44:46 
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"ElissaAnn" <  2008-07-25 10:34:27 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-07-25 08:20:00 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-25 15:21:31 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-07-25 09:59:33 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-25 17:24:57 
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Pat Kight <kightp@[EMA  2008-07-25 13:49:30 
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Chickpea <chickpea@[EM  2008-07-26 02:38:21 
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EveningStarTwo@[EMAIL PRO  2008-07-25 22:49:19 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-25 17:58:41 
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John Palmer <jpalmer1@  2008-07-24 00:57:57 
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Ryk <ryk@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-23 19:15:13 
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umar <866013149c@[EMAI  2008-07-22 18:31:41 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-23 01:59:14 
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aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-23 07:57:54 
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Kai Jones <snippy@[EMA  2008-07-23 08:20:09 
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Michael Rosen <michael  2008-07-23 08:46:34 
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Michael Rosen <michael  2008-07-23 09:10:00 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-07-24 00:22:35 
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John Palmer <jpalmer1@  2008-07-24 00:34:58 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-24 14:58:30 
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John Palmer <jpalmer1@  2008-07-24 09:06:59 
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"songbird" <  2008-07-24 19:48:37 
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Ann Burlingham <annb@[  2008-07-22 23:00:48 
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John Palmer <jpalmer1@  2008-07-24 00:55:11 
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John Palmer <jpalmer1@  2008-07-23 21:36:15 
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stef@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-22 19:11:59 
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Sergei Nesmeyanov <koo  2008-07-22 05:03:09 
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Rob Wynne <doc@[EMAIL   2008-07-22 12:15:34 
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anarii@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 07:42:33 
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Sergei Nesmeyanov <koo  2008-07-22 11:39:36 
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Sergei Nesmeyanov <koo  2008-07-22 11:41:32 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-22 18:45:55 
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Siobhan <news@[EMAIL P  2008-07-22 18:41:03 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-22 13:29:12 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-22 13:32:32 
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cathynjim <cathynjim@[  2008-07-23 07:45:59 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-24 11:29:05 
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cathynjim <cathynjim@[  2008-07-23 07:49:51 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-23 18:28:49 
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Serene Vannoy <serene@  2008-07-23 19:06:35 
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stef@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-24 08:38:51 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-07-24 15:51:02 
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piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-24 15:19:48 
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Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-23 10:16:49 
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Siobhan <news@[EMAIL P  2008-07-23 18:47:45 
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Ryk <ryk@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-23 21:28:02 
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JK <jk.usenet@[EMAIL P  2008-07-28 21:47:07 
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betsy <betsy@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-24 22:01:48 
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nipolycouple <jerry@[E  2008-07-23 18:38:42 
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Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-26 11:30:20 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-27 10:19:49 
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aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-26 16:27:58 
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Miche <micheinnz@[EMAI  2008-07-27 12:39:19 
Re: hi from Idaho
Vicki Rosenzweig <vr@[  2008-07-27 18:54:13 
Re: hi from Idaho
piglet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-28 02:08:27 
Re: hi from Idaho
aahz@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-27 21:15:06 
Re: hi from Idaho
Aqua <aqua@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-28 17:06:44 
Re: hi from Idaho
Lane <absolutelane@[EM  2008-07-24 10:44:20 

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