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(Daniel Joseph Min) wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 "Steve S." wrote:
> >I agree that Athiesm is a belief. I was an athiest until my late teens,
when
> >I began exploring the esoteric side of the great world religions and
went on
> >
> >from there.
> >
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> Good for you. Smart choice. It pays to investigate from
> a conscientious and independently-minded point of view.
Well, you're both wrong. Here's why.
> BECAUSE ATHEISM IS properly defined as a "belief", e.g.,
> quoting from Webster's New World Dictionary & Thesaurus:
>
> "Atheism -
> the *belief* that there is no God, or denial that
> God or gods exist." [end quote, emphasis added]
>
> Thus Atheism is properly a (ir)religious belief, and so
> adherents and proponents of Atheism are equally as much
> believers in their godless religion of Atheism as other
> believers in other contrastingly less-godless religions
> are likewise believers their respective religions; some
> devout believers, some less devout in their convictions.
Look at the definition a bit closer dude.
It says a "belief" _OR_ a "DENIAL." Understand that!!!!!
That means that Atheism COULD be a belief, yet you have based your whole
argument on the misinterpretation that Atheism IS a belief.
I'd expect to find this type of misconception and misinterpretation
underlying all your thinking and belief systems. As well, you have
probably built you house foundation on unstable ground.
--
the dang
>
> >However, there's a problem,
>
> Yes. I agree that some people aren't going to like the
> inevitable transition into genuine freedom of religion
> being made federal law--seeing that 85% of Americans
> generally identify themselves as Christians. Therefore,
> some immature, quasi- pseudo- non- anti-Christians are
> bound to have, as you say, a "problem" with that. Oh
> well. That's life in the big city. Get used to it.
>
> >I think, with the idea of allowing expression of
> >all faiths equally in the schools.
> >
> Yeah, sure, what an "unfair" system that would be for
> everyone concerned--EQUAL freedom for all responsible
> students to openly express their humble opinions. LOL!
>
> >All faiths are not equal, first of all.
>
> Says WHO? The Torah teaches that the Gods of Creation
> created man in our own image and likeness. Again, you
> don't present any viable or compelling argument against
> ANY human being not being equal before God--who is no
> respecter or persons, by the way. God loves *EVERYONE*.
>
> Besides, Americans behold these truths to be self-evident. :-D
>
> >I wouldn't want my child exposed to some of the belief systems you've
listed
> >below, as part of the school curriculum--mentioned or explained at a
certain
> >
> >grade level, perhaps, but not incor****ated into the assumptive base of
the
> >curriculum as a whole (as Athiesm is now).
>
> Diversity of opinions expressed and constructive questions
> asked about the respected opinions of others is perfectly
> welcome in our Constitutional Republic for which our great
> nation's flag stands tall & proud at home and in harm's way.
>
> Again, let the Atheists continue to present their point of
> view, too. All religious beliefs, barring violation of any
> school rules or breaking any laws--particularly those fine
> legal decisions (soon-to-be) handed down from our beloved
> moderate-to-conservative-biased Supreme Court come January
> once Alito gets rubber-stamped to the lofty bench thereof,
> freedom of speech is coming soon to a non-violent theatre
> of intellectual combat near you and yours; near ALL of us.
> >
> >Secondly, no matter how liberal one tries to be when one engineers a
> >curriculum in the school, there is still an assumptive base behind it.
> >Haven't you see do***entaries on television about religion produced by
> >athiests? Aren't they subtley but fundamentally skewed, no matter how
> >open-minded they are trying to be?
>
> Fine. And all things--including time on the floor--being
> equal, the 85% Christian majority shall therefore occupy
> 85% of the time allotted in class to speak out on their
> doubtless diverse and sundry opinions and insights into
> what is collectively and loosely defined as Christianity.
> Constructive argument is *HEALTHY* for burgeoning minds...
>
> Likewise, the 15% minority will get their fair share of
> time to voice their opinions about their various beliefs
> and doctrines about "life, the universe, and everything".
> That's called Democracy in the 21st century and beyond...
> >
> >Therefore it is impossible, in my opinion, to create a curriculum
policy
> >that is unbiased.
> >
> Again, since 85% of the input will be mildly "Christian",
> then it will be up to us Christians to respect the views
> and opinions of the minority, too. And *THAT* is going to
> become federal law, thus equality and freedom of religion
> and freedom to openly and peaceably express those views
> (remember, federal law will prohibit egregious political
> hate-speech, e.g. neo-NAZIs, KKK, radical left-wingers,
> ad nauseam from engaging in disruptive and intolerant
> hate-speech against anyone) will be available to *all*
> responsible students bar none. Freedom & Responsibility
> walk hand-in-hand, and our children are going to learn
> to memorize that ancient maxim and practice it to the
> letter of the law. Brotherly love will reign supreme.
>
> >The best we can do, if we choose to, is to go back to the
> >assumptive base of the founding fathers of the country.
>
> No. The best we can do is what God Almighty endowed us
> each to achieve into the ages of the ages, in body, mind
> and spirit. It is therefore up to each *individual* to
> maximize his or her achievements, all eventually doubtless
> vastly surpassing the achievements of mere mortals decades,
> centuries and long centuries dead. The past is dead & gone.
>
> Welcome *all* to the 21st century anno Domini. :-D
>
> >And those people
> >were, by and large, not athiests--but neither were they
fundamentalists.
> >They were mystics and interested in metaphysics, mostly, of one flavor
or
> >another.
> >
> They fared well-indeed to have founded the *very* nation that
> would become the dominant world power who reigns in the grand
> (fifth) empire of the post-diluvium Earth. Kudos to them all!
>
> >Have you see the do***entary about Benjamin Franklin? Did you notice
that
> >
> >the writer of that program put words in Franklin's mouth, inferring
that he
> >disbelieved in reincarnation, when actually the real Franklin believed
in
> >reincarnation?
> >
> I've no doubt that's true, seeing that he, albeit to his
> severely-limited ability or understanding of the subject,
> also fancied Astrology, as his extant almanachs attested.
>
> >If we incor****ate all faiths into the basic substratum of the school
> >curriculum, it's going to get impossibly confusing.
>
> For every 100 pages of textbook curriculum, we'll end up
> seeing about 85% of those pages incor****ating a "generic"
> sense of the Universal God of Creation, the heavenly font
> of all existence in all His glorious dimensions BEING the
> "intelligent designer" of everything and everyone whom we
> observe and investigate, befriend and love. It'll be GREAT!
>
> >If we continue to allow
> >athiesm to be the philosophical base, claiming it to be the basis for
> >objectivity and non-religious, we're fooling ourselves.
> >
> Fortunately for all Americans, the Supreme Court shall decide
> "who's who and what's what" concerning freedom of religion in
> our public schools, courtrooms, and every public place across
> all 50 States of the Union. Better get used to it. Otherwise,
> the future is going to leave those who don't like it behind...
>
> >If we go back to the
> >assumptive base of the founding fathers, there are problems there, as
well,
> >because they didn't have a 100% accurate metaphysics either. I think we
will
> >have to think out of the box on this one. There will have to be
religious
> >
> >freedom, along with an acknowledgement that there is such a thing as
Truth
> >(capital T)--and it is not found in doctrines or belief systems, which
ever
> >only approximate it.
>
> But of course, Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way & the Life.
> And 85% of American students are going to be free to *OPENLY*
> discuss their own views and opinions in a civilized setting.
>
> American students are going to learn to listen to and respect
> the beliefs and opinions of others, whether they disagree with
> others' religious and personal points of view or not. America
> is going to rapidly become in practice an all-INCLUSIVE society.
>
> Again, those who don't like freedom of speech and freedom of
> religion becoming Supreme Court federally mandated law, then
> they're merely obsolete and are surely headed for extinction.
>
> If it's of any comfort to you, realize that not all Christians
> are uneducated fundamentalists. Most modern-day Christians are
> more open-minded about life, death and the afterlife than were
> their grandfathers. And some Christians are 180+ I.Q. geniuses. :-D
>
> Enjoy!
> Daniel Joseph Min
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