On 19 Dec 2005 13:01:38 -0800, "JB"
<wills.jack@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spake thusly:
>
>Terry Cross wrote:
>> JB wrote:
>> > Terry Cross wrote:
>> > >
>> > > That was not my statement. Secularism is a religion as defined by
the
>> > > Humanist Manifesto I.
>> > > http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto1.html.
>> >
>> > You said:
>> > > > >My complaint, however, is the
>> > > > > injection of the Secularist religion - religious humanism - at
all
>> > > > > levels of government, particularly public schools.
>> >
>> > I interpreted that to mean that you were considering secularism to be
a
>> > religion, like Christianity or Islam or whatever.
>>
>> Secularism, as practiced, is NOT the absence of religion. Secularism,
>> as practiced, is the assertion of a particular set of doctrines,
>> values, and mythologies.
>>
>> > I thought your point
>> > was that secularism is allowed, so why not other religions.
>>
>> I would prefer that the government were completely a-religious,
>> non-preferential.
>>
>> > Maybe I'm
>> > misunderstanding, but your statement above seems pretty
>> > straightforward.
>>
>> Just clear up those two points, and the statements will make sense -
>> Secularism is NOT the absence of religious dogma, and government SHOULD
>> be free of religion.
>>
>> > And you could say that secularism IS a religion like those others,
and
>> > maybe even be able to back up your assertion. But common sense tells
>> > us that it's not the same.
>>
>> Common sense is not sufficient in the absence of information. read the
>> Manifesto.
>>
>> > > > Do you think separation of church and state included the
>> > > > church of secularism?
>> > >
>> > > Whenever you teach "values," morality, purpose, origins, destinies,
>> > > human nature, etc. you are out of the realm of academic study and
into
>> > > the realm of religion. When you teach the Secularist answers to
those
>> > > questions (e.g., Behaviorism, Evolution, Astrophysics, etc.) in
public
>> > > school, you are crossing the boundary between church and state, and
>> > > violating the Constitution.
>> > >
>> >
>> > IYHO
>>
>> And others, too. Please read the intro to the Humanist Manifesto in
>> the link provided.
>>
>> TCross
>
>I see what you're referring to, but do government officials have copies
>of that manifesto, meet to talk about it, discuss it, interpret it,
>etc?
The Humanist ones do.
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"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
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