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Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel?

by "Harvey@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <kiwilove@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 15, 2006 at 02:33 AM

Daniel Joseph Min <Use-Author-Address-Header@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 29 May 2006 "CurrentEvent" <CurrentEvent2003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>Based on the teachings of the Quran, Muslims claim that the Angel     
>>  Gabriel is the Holy Ghost of the gospels. And they find Luke
>>1:26-1:35 as a proof.          
>>The best Christian response I found on the web is this: If this is    
>>   true, then why did Gabriel say to Mary in verse 35, "the power of
>>the Holy Spirit will come upon you" rather than "my power will come
>>upon      you"?         
>>I am not sure whether or not the above Christian response is        
>>convincing. But based on this logic we can say that Jesus is not
>>referring to himself as the Son of Man in the following example verse:
>>         Mark 8:38 For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words
>>in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be
>>ashamed        of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with
>>the holy angels." Why Jesus said "the Son of Man also will be ashamed
>>of him when he          comes..." rather than "I also will be ashamed
>>of him when I come..."? If you think Jesus was referring to himself in
>>a different way, then the same thing can said about the Angel Gabriel.
>>So who is the Son of Man?         
>>And who is the Holy Ghost?
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> It's a good set of questions, but...               
>                
> Therein lies the conundrum.  Those who feel the need--instead of      
>   asking God directly--to solicit mere mortals to help them answer
> questions about heavenly, eternal, everlasting things (i.e. those     
>     who don't already *know* the veritable deathless answers to those
> questions before they even ask, as say a savvy lawyer knows to do),  
> such souls tend to hear only what they want to hear; nothing more,    
>        lest the answers burn their ears, and blind their eyes, and
> cause them to rend their vestments in rage and anger, crying
> "Blasphemy"!       
>        
> They think in worldly terms of the ego-self, not in heavenly terms
> of the God-self. Jesus wants us to recognize who He is, because the   
>        same eternal Light of recognition is inherent within each one
> of us. 
>              
> My advise to you then is this.  If you can't find the true answers    
>     within, then surely you'll not recognize self-same answers echoing
> from without. Truly, it takes one to know one. Would you expect to    
>      recognize and comprehend answers to questions about brain
> surgery, if you yourself are not a well-educated, experienced brain
> surgeon? 
>                
> Remember, not even Jesus' dear (and five months plus one day older)   
>      first-cousin John the Baptist recognized Jesus for who He is,
> until Jesus was baptised in their 30th year. No more spiritually adept
> man           had ever walked the face of the earth i.e. _before_ John
> the Baptist. Do you expect to recognize Truth more easily than Jesus'
> cousin did? 
>              
> Why then would any man seek God's Truth from mortal men who mislead   
>     (even as they themselves were misled by those who went before
> them)? It would be more fruitful to preach to the birds, or fields of
> corn.      
>                
> Hope that helps,
> Daniel Joseph Min                
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A lot of Christianity and what Christians are taught, is in error.
If you wish to get to the truth of the matter, read the
following references...

This is not a religion as such, but is information. And correct 
information
is the 'truth'. Consistant information that makes sense.

Be warned the truth is controversial, because the truth has been hidden
for so long, that it will appear to be startling and strange at first,
until you reason it all out. Work it out...


The Talmud Jmmanuel
http://www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel.htm
http://www.tjresearch.info/overview.htm
http://www.tjresearch.info/tjheresy.htm
http://www.tjresearch.info/EdMartin.htm
http://www.semjase.net/index_en.html
http://www.semjase.net/semjeng10.html
http://plain2.tripod.com/tj.txt
This is the actual do***ent in question,
has an excellent introduction.

I thoroughly recomend the top one, which contains a summary of the key 
points - there is about 5 pages, I recomend skimming it through and 
reading the stuff you would agree with, and then slowly absorb the rest, 
over time.
I believe this encomp***** the key foundation stones that should be 
taught to children growing up - real meat and
potatoes stuff for the brain/psyche/spirit/personality to absorb, which 
with re-reading you will gain more and more insight.
A lot of religion is basically 'fluff' material of no real substance, 
that makes no sense. Real knowledge and wisdom is different.
Your own spirit will present much the same kind of information, like 
this to you - as you learn from your own life experiences and musings.

You can read the summaries and introduction...

Harvey
 




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Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel?
"Harvey@[EMAIL PROTE  2006-07-15 02:33:28 
Re: Is the Holy Ghost the Angel Gabriel?
"Mark Earnest"   2006-07-14 21:45:58 

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