On Jan 10, 12:01=A0pm, "Non scrivetemi" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
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> wrote:
> "Joseph R Loegering" wrote:
> >The doctrine of Limbo, is a false doctrine started by a Christian
Crusade=
r
> >Catholic Pope.
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> I wasn't referring to worldly dogmas, but to outer darkness,
> you know, where grounded, near-earth souls abide in torments,
> as in "where the woodbine twineth, and the iceman cometh not."
>
> E.g., here's a delightful excerpt from the gospel According
> to Luke (interlinear translation from Jerome's Latin Vulgate),
> followed by someone else's relatively crude translation of a
> wonderful book by the historian Josephus on this very subject:
>
> "homo =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0quidam =A0erat =A0dives et =A0induebatur
purpura
> =A0But was a man certain to be rich, and indued in =A0purple
>
> =A0et =A0bysso =A0 et =A0epulabatur =A0 cotidie =A0splendide =A0 et
> =A0and byssus, and well feasted each day splendidly. and
>
> =A0erat =A0quidam =A0 =A0mendicus =A0nomine Lazarus =A0qui iacebat ad
> =A0to be a certain mendicant named =A0Lazarus, who laid =A0 =A0at
>
> =A0ianuam =A0 =A0eius ulceribus =A0 =A0 plenus =A0 cupiens =A0 =A0
=A0satu=
rari
> =A0his gate, him =A0having ulcers plenary. concupiscent to be satiated
>
> =A0de =A0 micis =A0quae =A0cadebant de =A0 mensa =A0 =A0 divitis
> =A0from crumbs which fell =A0 =A0 from the table of the rich man,
>
> =A0sed et =A0 canes =A0 =A0 =A0 veniebant et =A0lingebant ulcera =A0 =A0
e=
ius
> =A0moreover the canines did come =A0and lick =A0 =A0 =A0the ulcers of
him.=
>
> =A0factum =A0 est =A0 autem ut =A0 =A0 =A0 moreretur mendicus =A0 =A0
=A0 =
et
> =A0occurred to be but =A0 in order to die =A0 =A0the mendicant, and
>
> =A0****taretur =A0 =A0 =A0ab angelis in =A0 sinum =A0 =A0 Abrahae =A0 =A0
m=
ortuus
> =A0to be ****tative by angels =A0into the bosom of Abraham. died
>
> =A0est =A0 autem et =A0 dives =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 et =A0sepultus =A0 est =A0
=
=A0in
> =A0to be but =A0 also the rich man, and was buried to be. in
>
> =A0inferno =A0 =A0 elevans =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 oculos =A0 suos =A0 =A0***
=A0e=
sset in
> =A0the inferno having elevated the eyes of him, when to be in
>
> =A0tormentis videbat =A0 =A0 =A0Abraham a =A0 =A0longe =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0=
et
> =A0torments, he is seeing Abraham from a long way off, and
>
> =A0Lazarum in sinu =A0 =A0 =A0eius =A0 =A0et =A0ipse =A0 =A0clamans
> =A0Lazarus in the bosom of him. and himself having clamored
>
> =A0dixit =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pater =A0Abraham =A0miserere =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=
=A0mei =A0 =A0et
> =A0he is saying Father Abraham, mercy be you having on me, and
>
> =A0mitte =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lazarum ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0intinguat
=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0be you sending Lazarus in order that he may be intincting
>
> =A0extremum =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0digiti =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0sui =A0 =A0in aqua =A0
ut=
> =A0the extremities of the digits of him in water, in order that
>
> =A0refrigeret =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0linguam =A0 =A0 meam =A0 quia =A0
=A0cruc=
ior
> =A0to be refrigerating the lingula of me, because it is excruciating
>
> =A0in hac =A0flamma et =A0dixit =A0 =A0 illi =A0 Abraham fili recordare
> =A0in this flame. and is saying to him Abraham Son, remember that
>
> =A0quia =A0 =A0recepisti =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 bona =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0 =
=A0in vita =A0 =A0 tua
> =A0because you were receptive of the good things in the life of you,
>
> =A0et =A0Lazarus similiter =A0 =A0mala =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0nunc autem
h=
ic =A0
> =A0and Lazarus similarly of the bad things, now =A0but =A0 in this place
>
> =A0consolatur =A0 =A0 =A0tu =A0 =A0 =A0vero =A0 =A0 =A0 cruciaris =A0
=A0e=
t =A0in his
> =A0he is consoled, and you are verily excruciated. and in this
>
> =A0omnibus inter =A0 nos et =A0vos =A0chasma =A0magnum firmatum est
> =A0wholly =A0between us =A0and you, a chasm great =A0has been firmly
place=
d,
>
> =A0ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hii =A0 qui volunt =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 hinc =A0
=
=A0 =A0transire =A0
> =A0in order that those who are volitional from here to be transiting
>
> =A0ad =A0 =A0 vos =A0 =A0non possint =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0neque =A0 inde =A0
=A0=
=A0 =A0huc =A0 =A0
> =A0toward to you not they are able, neither from thence to here
>
> =A0transmeare =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 et =A0ait =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0rogo
=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ergo =A0 =A0 =A0te
> =A0across you are moving. and he is saying I am asking therefore you,
>
> =A0pater =A0 ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mittas =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0eum
i=
n =A0 domum =A0
> =A0father, in order that you to be sending him into the domicile
>
> =A0patris =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mei =A0 =A0habeo =A0 =A0 =A0 enim =A0
=A0quinque =
fratres =A0
> =A0of the father of me. I am having in fact five =A0 =A0brothers,
>
> =A0ut =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0testetur =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illis =A0 =A0ne
=
=A0 =A0 =A0 et =A0 ipsi =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0in order that he should testify to them, that not also themselves
>
> =A0veniant =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in =A0 lo*** =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hunc tormentorum
=
=A0et =A0
> =A0they are coming into the locality this of torments. and
>
> =A0ait =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illi =A0 Abraham habent =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0Mosen=
et =A0prophetas
> =A0he is saying to him Abraham They are having Moses and the prophets,
>
> =A0audiant =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 illos at =A0ille =A0 dixit =A0 =A0
=A0 =
=A0non pater
> =A0let them be hearing them. but to him he is saying No, father
>
> =A0Abraham =A0sed si quis =A0 ex =A0 =A0 mortuis =A0ierit =A0ad =A0 =A0
eo=
s =A0
> =A0Abraham, but if anyone out of the dead did go toward them,
>
> =A0paenitentiam agent =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
ait =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0autem
> =A0in penitence they will conduct themselves. he is saying but
>
> =A0illi =A0 si Mosen et =A0prophetas =A0 =A0non audiunt =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
=
=A0 neque =A0
> =A0to him If Moses and the prophets not they are hearing, neither
>
> =A0si quis =A0 ex =A0 =A0 mortuis =A0resurrexerit =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
> =A0if anyone out of the dead should be resurrected
>
> =A0credent"
> =A0will they be credent.
>
> =A0--Lucas 16:19-31, editio Vulgata
>
> "But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to
> =A0the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment,
> =A0no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners =A0
> =A0driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels
> =A0appointed over them to reproach them and threaten
> =A0them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them
> =A0still downwards. Now those angels that are set over
> =A0these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell
> =A0itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually
> =A0hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the
> =A0hot va**** itself; but when they have a near view of
> =A0this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great
> =A0prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful
> =A0expectation of a future judgment, and in effect
> =A0punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see
> =A0the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just,
> =A0even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and
> =A0large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man
> =A0that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted,
> =A0nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to
> =A0attempt it, pass over it."--excerpt,'Discourse to the
> =A0Greeks concerning Hades'; Flavius Josephus (~37-95 AD)
>
> Armageddon Cometh,
> Daniel Joseph Minhttp://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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We'll know in advance ~ the first ones will land on Tel Aviv & Dimona
~!
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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